Portogallo-Italia, le pagelle di CM: Immobile nullo, si salva … Le pagelle di Portogallo-Italia 1-0: Jorginho e Cristante bocciati, Pagelle Portogallo-Italia 1-0: azzurri inguardabili,
History is supposed to teach you lessons so that the same mistakes dont happen again. Mancini follows Ventura with Immobile and Zaza when any smart coach would never ever use them at the NT level ! We should be on Fire now after missing the 1st world cup since I was born!! and I was born 1959 ! that is 60 years !!! Balotelli can score and has done the Azzurri proud before, he does have the pedigree! Belotti should be part of the team Bring back Giaccherini .. and even Giovinco , better than Zaza and Immobile Mancini should be replaced immediately
Sounds like the clubs/figc told him not to play anyone for 2 full games. Still a mess. Anyway relegation is meaningless. Points for FIFA rankings is what's important and Poland is a direct rival.
Did you actually watch these fixtures? Balotelli did play the first game and he was even worse than Immobile and Zaza (if that is even possible). All three should be banished from the squad if we had three other options to step in. Unfortunately, other than Belotti and maybe Cutrone, no one else is remotely good enough or ready for the senior squad at this point. That means at least one of those three losers has to continue. But in truth, all three are not good enough. Yeah I was wondering that myself. It's really early in the season, and I could see the federation doing that.
Yea, I dont see the hype around Jorginho. I'm not seeing what most in the game are seeing in him. He's obv a smart player. Subtle in his defensive coverage. But what makes me scratch my head is he's so invisible offensively. Always. I forget he's on the pitch and he doesnt seem capable of orchestrating an offence. Am I missing something here? He's more Marchisio than he is your central figure in midfield... Our midfield, overall, was really poor. Everyone is complaining about our attack, and for good reason, but I blame the midfield who are unable to start any good movements from our side of the pitch. Its tough to watch. Im not a huge Immobile fan, but he can score goals. Serie A has proven that. But with no service from the mid, our attack arent fantasista's...there is absolutely no consistent service.
I believe Balotelli still in and still play for the NT team. I thought I read that Balotelli is out in this match against Portugal was due to some "fitness" issue, the coach said that, something about Balotelli fitness level. I still think we will see Balotelli again in upcoming matches. And our midfield is indeed weak, I wanted to cry when I saw Portugal keep running through our midfield like we not even there in today game.
Jorginho and Bonaventura got the best ratings for Italy and both had some impressive defensive stats - blame the other shit players zaza has nothing to do in the starting Xl
I mean you couldn't set up a team for failure better than Mancini did tonight. He started a terzino from Spal who has never sniffed the national team. Then he puts in journeymen like Criscito and Bonaventura. Add in the brick feet of Zaza and Immobile. Finally top it off with the very unathletic 4ft passing Jorginho....and you have a dumpster fire. I mean...I'm almost at a loss for words on the stupidity level here. The sad thing is that I actually think we have some good youth talent....but we have a bidone of a CT who can't identify the best talent and put them on the field. Barella the best young midfielder in Serie A last year? Rot on the bench. Benassi the hottest midfielder to start the Serie A season? Ride the pine. Bernardeschi starts the year well for Italy's best club? Sit down. No, we need to trot the due piedi di marmo out there...Zaza and Immobile. What kind of building for the future is that when you start all these retreads??? I'm fckin irate. Vergogna!
I know Jorginho is your avatar, but please, he was horrific as usual. A complete ghost with no personality or ability to break down a defense. I don't think I could coach worse than Mancini even if I tried to sabotage the national team on purpose. Lazzari? It's one thing to play him...but he plays as a winger with Spal. Here he had him as a terzino. He was destroyed. Chiesa? Let's put him on the opposite side of where he is often effective. Great idea! Cristante? Played him completely in the midfield position he hates. Not only was he picking horrible players...but even with some of the good ones he was putting them out of position. Disgusting.
Seem like we have no choice but stuck with Mancini right? There is like no news that we would be getting a new coach soon? Nothing? I just don't don't understand why, just WHY he chose the selection that he chose today for our team against Portugal. He knows that this is not a Friendlies right? That we can be drop to League B right? If he keep choosing like this, hell, I don't think we going to get anywhere in Euro Cup 2020. It really not late to rebuild our team if we start a new coach now, we still 4 years away to make it to the next WC. Yes, I know Mancini was appointed after Ventura failed to qualify us to WC2018. But at this rate, Mancini will fail to qualify us to 2020WC. Heck, then we will be the team that fail to qualify in two consecutive WC. Please don't let this be.
Its probably best if we get relegated. Were simply not at a top level right now to be in League A. Hard to say this but its true. There is still alot of rebuilding that needs to take place...
How is it all Mancini's fault? Every forward for Italy has gone AWOL for 4 years - cases could be made that Balo is still better than Ciro and Belotti, its an absolute joke - and Insigne does so many dumb things for Napoli and transports that to the Italian National Team where they dont have the players to carry his mistakes/hold his hand. This team needs fighters. Jorginho is Italy's best player right now, of course he isnt getting benched, so drop the impulsive crap and be more analytic - Jorginho and Bonaventura had some mind blowing defensive statistics, in a game Italy did not control at all. I would still choose a midfield three with Verrati, Bonaventura and Jorginho. But I agree with a lot you say especially the Chiesa part
TyPiNG LiKe dIs DOeS NOt MaKE u CoOL iT mAkEs yOu LoOK rEtArDeD! It's how stupid you guys are that offends me. Carry on.
Um dude, these are literally world cup qualifiers for us. The irony is that it was this exact same game vs Portugal ~3 years ago that cost us an easy WCQ group, where Conte played a B team (probably under orders from the FIGC). If we can win the next 2 matches (especially vs Poland), then one play-off match... that should be enough to get back our top seeding for the WC draw coming up next July.
Mancini's basically used this game as an experiment and really, how can he not? It's two games since the three last May/June that were always going to be experimental and it's still way too early to absolutely know what your starting lineup is at this stage of the rebuild. There's no possible way without players that have already earned an unquestionable starting spots. There is not one player that I can confidently say should be unquestionably starting at this point. That said, I thought he could have just tweaked the last lineup to see how they might have worked together two games in a row.
I'm all for trying something new and figuring out how our lineup should be, but don't we have like a Friendlies coming up next month in October? Why can't Mancini try this lineup of his in the Friendlies coming up? Why 'must' be this game (vs Portugal)? And No, Nations League is not meaningless games. This what will be costing us another World Cup. We already lost out on the last WC, we can't afford to lost out to Qatar too. okay, I give that Mancini want to try something new, experiment, figure out our lineup whatever, if so, then he must learn from this game lesson. We still have another game vs Poland on Oct. And another game vs Portugal again in Nov. Please don't try a new lineup in this two games, we can't afford to lose anymore.
I don't support the trying something "new" theory. I actually think Mancini plays to his fears. There is nothing "new" about Zaza, Immobile, Criscito, Bonaventura, etc. If anything, these are mostly journeymen who will not feature in the near future. He talks a nice talk about bringing elite youth talent on the team like Pellegri, Zaniolo, etc. I give him credit for calling them up. But, then he plays all these journeymen in an important match against Portugal. I just don't get how you sit Belotti (who has looked sharp this year) and Bernardeschi who actually plays well for Juve when he is on the field. I'm about to go off on Jorginho. I honestly think he's a pretty useless player unless he's in a stacked 5 man midfield. Just go back and watch him vs France in June or Poland and Portugal this past week. He is not someone who can carry a midfield. He's not dynamic at all and has no pace. He still makes elementary bad mistakes like the pass against Poland. He's slow as hell. His passing is mostly short stuff. He owes his whole career to Sarri basically who has set him up to succeed in the only formation that will work for his limited skills. I'm sorry to be harsh but that is the truth. If we are relying on him in midfield, we might as well just get ready for failed qualifications or early exits to tournaments.
Neither of them are that good. Maybe Montolivo was a little better at his prime. I have never thought highly of Jorginho. Bring back Marchisio as a regista. I know his age is against him, but we need to improve the National Team. I am also even thinking about if it is best to even bring back De Rossi. Our midfield is in huge trouble.
Enough Uaglio. We have nothing but journey men on this side right now. We have gone too many years with coaches clinging to the past. We are starting a new cycle and Mancini is doing the right thing. He can't have a team of 20 year olds. There is no point putting too much into this competition. Not now. There are still two matches to play. That said, I am not impressed with Jorginho either.