Let the rebuild start... Summer 2018 transfer thread

I think that doing it team by team somewhat negates the style aspect. You can see relative to the other players in the team how a guy performs, and the data presented seems to make sense with what you see on the field.

 

not to switch up the interminable Ramsey convo but is anyone else excited by the rumor of Vida coming to Arsenal? to me, CB is our most glaring weakness and at this point would take Vida over Dembele in a heartbeat.

 

I mean, Vida is 29. Was he every inspiring before the world cup? If this year doesn't have many expectations attached to it, I would rather give the Holding Chambers pair as much play time as possible.

 

I’ve always liked Ramsey. I think whomever is able to successfully figure out and unlock his best position and play style in a system that best suits him will get a great midfielder.

That said, no way is he worth the kind of money that he is supposedly wanting....sell and get someone else who has stronger hamstrings.

 

I like him but as Foo mentioned, I’d rather have some of the younger players get some time. Plus, he seems to be a bit card happy if I remember correctly. I could be way wrong, however.

 

I don't know much about him, but i suspect that Vida, like Sokratis, would be a bandaid..

 

Exactly. We have three young guys in Chambers, Holding, and Mavro that can all use these minutes to develop.

With this being the first season under a new regime, expectations aren't high. A top 6 finish and success in the cups + Europa League are realistically where we are at right now. I personally think we can push the top 4, but anything more than a European finish is just a bonus.

I would like to see Holding and Chambers starting every cup game with Mavro being cover for one of them if someone gets injured. Realistically I think Mustafi and Sokratis will start in the league, at least for the first part of the season.

I mean, let's just be honest. If we somehow can pick up 6 points from the first two weeks of the season we can seriously readjust our expectations.

 

i don’t think Emery is buying band-aids yet, and besides Bellerin (lichsteiner looked solid today) Mustafi has to be our weakest link given end of last season form and preseason form. i guess if we play a high line we need one relatively fast CB, but Mustafi was torched so many times last season, it just seems like he is a step too slow mentally to play at the highest level. just my two cents, maybe Vida is not the answer, but like Lichtsteiner, Guendouzi, maybe Torreira, he seems to impose himself on the game, which may be the direction Arsenal need to go in instead of these fleet of foot, footballing CBs. that said, Chambers seems like he has continued to up his game..

 

There’s no goal post. I’m just supporting (attempting) my opinion that we are better off selling him now or letting him go next summer rather than giving him a huge pay packet. This isn’t a provable thing—only hindsight will tell and even then I’m sure the discussion will continue.

Pointing to a 10 game unbeaten run without him was only to support a point that the club has on occasion played well without him. This is not a sweeping statement which requires a large data set to back up. I never said the club on average does better without him.

Casoccerdad brought last years ppg into the argument to make the point that last season in the league we were better with him on the pitch. Yes, the data is a fact which I didn’t dispute, but I just said that last season was weird with lots of rotation and churn and a larger data set would be needed if that’s a conclusion you are going to make from the data.

To that, a larger data set is easily available on transfermarkt.



I haven’t done similar analysis on other players so I don’t really have context. One also might have good reason to limit the data set more, but I haven’t thought about that. I just grabbed all the games since he recovered from shawcross. Although it’s a larger data set there is still the possibility for confounders (e.g. he gets rested/injured for easy games more than hard games, etc).

 

Apparently, according to his agent he is not asking for the kind of money we have been hearing about.

 

Your original post did not say on occasion Arsenal has played well without him. You said, "In16/17 we also picked up 24 of 30 points (10 game unbeaten) without him starting. So we can get along without him I think."
I was specifically responding to the suggestion/implication that based on a 10 game unbeaten stretch in 2016/17 Arsenal can get along without Ramsey, by offering an alternative data set that suggests he was a key player last season

That said, this is certainly a bigger data set than either 10 games or an entire season, but there are still some biases that aren't taken into account. First, I'd be inclined to eliminate the year after he returned from his leg break. But, more importantly, players also evolve.

 

Fair enough. I didn’t mean to imply I thought that the club is actually better without him, just that we won’t fail without him (I.e get along), but I see how it can read that way. As you’ve pointed out, he is a contributor especially offensively and I think he’s better than his typical replacements (iwobi, jack, ox, coq, flamini) so I was a little surprised at the numbers I came up with.

I’ll rerun it without the first season back and also do a separate one with the last 4 seasons? Or see if I can plot it over time to see how it’s have evolved.

I’ve got the sheet done so should be able to just plug in data for any player. Was going to do ozil to get context and maybe Koscielny. Any other suggestions.

 

This is so pointless long winded and boring

Ramsey is a great attacking threat who works hard

He needs to play in a 3 or as a ten

He scores goals

If he leaves he’s replaceable

If he doesn’t he should be starting g games

The end

 

Don’t think anyone really disagrees with these, but doesn’t answer the question of should the club commit to him on an aubemayang-esque or higher wage to keep him around? That’s what is being argued.

And it’s a pretty boring xfer window right now, so what else is there to talk about in the xfer thread?

 

I would pay him myself 150-200 k a week is the goi g rate

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...senals-Calum-Chambers-set-medical-Fulham.html

Chambers to Fulham on loan

 

Don’t know whether to take that report at face value, but if true I don’t get it. Chambers is at worst the third best center half at this club right now.

 

This is worth noting. There is no credible reporting that says he’s demanding exhorbitant wages, but everybody who wants to sell him uses his supposed demands to justify their position.

I think he wants the Bosman.

 

A loan for Chambers would be good. He's been alright lately but last season he put in some awful performances, iirc. Sokratis,Mustafi,Holding,Mavropanos and eventually Kos I guess should be alright. I'm excited for the season. Like I think I said before, none of the signings set the world on fire...but I think they were positive and they were done early. Every transfer has played pre season games with Arsenal. So that's nice. New coach, new ideas. I'm pretty excited to watch Arsenal this season.

 

West Ham intetested in Lucas Perez.

 

Hard to say what to think about this one. It was a total surprise—damn the club is getting good at containing the leaks I had no idea they were shopping him for loan.

Makes sense though. He’s on a new deal and really needs to play. He plays the ball well, but just needs the experience. I think a new manager is reasonable to go with experience to start. If he has a good spell at Fulham then he will come back and be useful next season when we will hopefully have CL footy to play.

 

This is one of two tumors this morning that combined don't appear to make a lot of sense. The other is that Welbeck has been told he can leave. If Chambers is loaned and Welbeck is sold that means Arsenal are down to 6 over 21 home grown players, a list that includes Jenkenson, who is almost certainly gone. This means Arsenal will be relying on U21s for depth.