Özil needs to be protected from racial abuse and the DFB should be held accountable for their inexcusable mismanagement of that case. However, it is also valid to criticize Özil for endorsing the antisemitic and racist President of his ancestors` home country who is currently transforming Turkey into a dictatorship. I also have no sympathy for the victimhood narrative which is used by Erdogan and his supporters to increase their influence.
Well now Ozil seems to have gone fully into the Erdogan camp I can support him on the racism stuff which I have complained about for years To my mind "bad body language" has always been the latest version of the lazy brown man meme (think pouty/sulky henry) - a standard that is simply never applied to white guys. But to double down on Erdolf? Sad to see a propaganda victory being handed to that crook. That's me out.
Your point was not constructive to this conversation. You can post a picture of LeBron James in Liverpool not being harassed by anyone and it would mean as much to this conversation as posting a picture of Ozil in Milan and making it seem like the treatment he received by the German FA and media isn't as bad as other forms.
If this world were just, Bush would be convicted and imprisoned by the Hague as the War Criminal he is. Erdogan is bad as a mug, but it isn't crazy to say that Bush is probably worse. Ask those in Iraq and Afghanistan who are still enduring after the Bush years. Shit, ask those people who haven't returned back to their homes in New Orleans about Bush.
Link? I guess my point is that I've seen no outcry at people supporting worse than Erdogan. Would there be the same outcry if a German international had supported AfD? Or a French international supported Le Pen?
Yes, there would have been calls for the player`s resignation. But the roles would have been reversed: left-wing media would have called for his head, because someone who embraces far right politicians could not represent the values of the German national team - while right wing media would have asked everyone to calm down and belittle the incidence. But the result would have been similar. Before the WC Hummels once used the word "Gutmensch" ("do-gooder") on Twiter which is a term often used by right-wing politicians. The usage of that word alone caused outrage amongst leftists. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gutmensch
You are clearly correct that western aggression is primarily responsible for the refugee crisis, but there is another factor that isn't going to go away, drought. Drought in Syria resulted in the movement of rural populations to the inner cities, which helped spark their Civil War. The immigration/refugee crisis will continue to be humanitarian issue, even in the absence of wars.
Wheels within wheels...Erdogan and the Turkish FA now weighing in on Ozil's side. I'm predisposed to cynicism, so I assume the Turkish FA is playing the long game here with the goal of getting more German players of Turkish descent to play for them instead of Germany.
I think so That is something which is lurking in all of this - no one knows if any of these guys are AfD voters Hoeness is more your Seehofer supporting christian conservative who just happens to love some racist policies
Nah - Ozil is a huge cultural icon in the muslim world. His social media following across all channels is enormous Erdolf wants to leverage that star power
That would be the least of my concerns. There is a new small party called ADD which is basically the German version of Erdogan`s AKP party. It was founded in 2016 and it only got 0,1 of the total vote in the last federal elections and 0.4 % in the State of NRW (which has a large Turkish population). My fear is that Özil could be used as a propaganda tool to promote that party amongst Turks/Muslims in Germany. But maybe, I`m just too pessimistic. I always liked Özil as a football player.
What long game? Do you really think that Erdogan and the Turkish FA were going to sit this one out after they were pilloried? They certainly weren't going to say that Ozil was wrong to take a picture with Erdogan.
Ok, the "Erdolf" statement is disgusting, but it deserves a response, so here's my understanding of why Erdogan is so popular, both in Turkey and among Muslims generally: 1. A lot of the drama around Erdogan really dates back to the rise of Kemal Ataturk, who was basically French version of Erdogan, in that where Erdogan is authoritarian and religious, Ataturk was authoritarian and enforced French-style secularism in Turkey. That required a level of suppression of religion that's rarely seen in the Western world. 2. After Ataturk died, the military took over his role, and carried out four successful coups, when it thought the democratically elected government had gotten too religious. Saying bad things about Ataturk, or the military, landed people in jail. The last successful coup happened in 1997. 3. Important to note that the military basically tried to suppress religion in a populace that's quite religious: most Muslims in the Middle East, especially outside of cities, would see Evangelical Christians (as a US-centric example) as a bunch of godless hypocrites. This is just as true in Anatolia, Erdogan's power base, as it is anywhere else. 4. Erdogan has pushed back against the military's influence over Turkish politics - the 2016 coup attempt was really their last gasp (and what Erdogan's done since the coup attempt to consolidate power is really bad). 5. More globally, most Muslims see the governments in places like the Persian Gulf and the various Arab dictatorships (and Pakistan) as corrupt Western puppets. They see Erdogan as the one person in authority who isn't corrupt and beholden to Western interests.
So what? .4% of the vote is a pittance. By comparison, the pirate party got 1 % of the vote in North Rhine Westphalia in the most recent elections. THE PIRATE PARTY.
Back on topic. Ozil's agent flogs Uli Hoeness: Özil's agent has just obliterated Hoeness. What a king. pic.twitter.com/tVv3E0KAiI— ∞ (@TheFalseNein) July 23, 2018 And in the NSFW category of tweets (words only): How can your name literally be Hoe-ness and you get fucked this hard? Ferocious L.— ∞ (@TheFalseNein) July 23, 2018
FWIW this is what i hear over here as well - in terms of the normal defence of the guy Again I think this is spot on and is the bit that the virtue signallers don't understand. From the viewpoint of the German-Turk supporting Erdogan he is their elected leader (and they may actually have voted for him). They support him because he is their own guy and everything that has happened so far tends to confirm the view that Erdogan IS their real President. This is why overheating the Ozil fiasco was always going to play straight into the hands of Erdogan and AfD Die Zeit wrote a prescient article 10 days ago where they predicted exactly this result The worst possible result is Ozil deciding that he is a second class german and not accepted because that is what the Erdogan whisperers have been telling him for years It's also why the statements of Hoeness and co are so irresponsible
No You think Bush was pulling the strings for the war in Iraq? lol He wasn't. Check out Forever War by Filkins Also - do not make general blanket shock statements like Bush would be convicted and imprisoned by the Hague when I am guessing you really have idea what the legal standards are. See subject matter requirements By your conclusion - the heads of United Kingdom, Poland, Australia, Spain, Denmark, and Italy - would also be "convicted" as war criminals as they all supported and acquiesced to the 2003 invasion... While I am not defending Bush - and I am no fan - it is silly to "equate" a figure head goof with a dictator who routinely imprisons, murders his own citizens all while systematically suppressing fundamental freedoms.
The problem is that lots of people in the world see it just as mebe says This is why the german middle needed to be careful wading in with the wagging finger Its not about who is right - it is about the lack of awareness. if the idea was to try to get young turkish people onside about german values, this was the dumbest thing possible
A popular person can be an a$$hole. I was in Munich right before the WC and well educated Germans were furious that Ozil took a picture with Erdogan. One told me that Ozil was the picture of integration and then this. Turks are not well integrated into German society and if things were that good in Turkey then they would live there versus in other countries. I see a very similar trend among Russians, most of whom blindly support Putin because under him Russia has progressed versus under Yeltsin.
um yeah! They should be lol. Miss me with all of this, "it wasnt the President of the United States' fault for effing up." He was POTUS. He was stupid enough to be dragged along even though he was POTUS. Bump that. NSFW but eff it (Move your mouse to reveal the content) NSFW but eff it (open) NSFW but eff it (close)
The legal standards for war crimes include the use of torture as an interrogation technique. That's where Bush and Cheney would have their legal vulnerability.