Das Reboot and the Road to UEFA Nations League & EC2020

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  1. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Yeah exactly

    What a disaster the DFB is

    They reignited this fire and now they reaped the whirlwind
     
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  2. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    current public mood
    [​IMG]
     
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  3. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Only cause they didnt handle the situation clearly and honestly from the beginning. It was foreseeable their and your side of the argument could only lose
     
  4. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    There was no need to reignite the fires in recent weeks

    They did that because they needed a scapegoat and now it backfired big time
     
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  5. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I take it as revenge for Özil getting them into the situation singlehandedly and then bottling the WC. I doubt they wanted to make him a scapegoat - too obvious. I think they wanted to publicly show he has lost any credit and that they wanted him to retire on his own. Mainly cause they were too coward (Grindel + Bierhoff) or too weak (Löw) for kicking him out.

    The everybody's a racist bs is Özil's revenge on Grindel trying to take him down with him
     
  6. poorvi

    poorvi Member+

    Feb 5, 2006
    Bombay
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Sad end to what could have been a stellar career with the national side. I will choose to remember Ozil by the on field exploits of the first 5-6 years of his Germany career.

    The Erdogan photo-op episode was dragged on for far too long. Everyone involved was over sensitive about the issue. The media initially and Ozil later. Its a tragedy that the DFB and Ozil couldn't keep their egos aside.

    In the past we've seen players have personal grudges against each other: Klinsi and Loddar, for one, where Loddar bet against Klinsi scoring 15 goals a season. Yet the two of them could play in the same team at WC 98 keeping their petty (relatively speaking) issues aside. This generation needs to grow a thicker skin.
     
  7. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Dude it is de facto a sensitive issue when a player poses with a foreign dictator. It goes deep to the very core of what a nation and national team is about. Thats 20 levels above two players not liking one another
     
  8. bayern is god

    bayern is god Member+

    May 26, 2007
    india
    Apparently he hasnt retired..Honigstein has tweeted that he says he wont wear the German Jersey as long as he feels subject to racism..
     
  9. poorvi

    poorvi Member+

    Feb 5, 2006
    Bombay
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I understand that it is a sensitive issue. And the "my president" comment was stupid and way out of line. But lets be fair to Ozil. Erdogan was on a state visit to the UK and they didn't bar his entry into the nation. If the foreign office of the government of the UK is okay with a dictator visiting, who is Ozil to question an invite? And Ozil isn't the sharpest tool in the shed.

    If it were that big a fault, as you claim, then the DFB should have removed Ozil from the squad before the WC. But instead both the sides; DFB and Ozil, chose to further vitiate the atmosphere and carry a fractured side to the WC. I don't know who is the bigger culprit.

    IMO, hypothetically, if Germany had a good world cup, the transgression by Ozil would all but be forgotten. This wouldn't even be a topic of discussion.
     
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  10. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Emre Can was clever enough to decline the invite so it was possible. Im also not buying the Im not a politician and Im stupid argument. He knew what those fotos would be used for.
    Thats what I said from the beginning. 24 hours to explain himself and aplogize. If he didnt deliver not take him to Russia. Others, Dage, Rosebud and jitty were still defending himself then. Dage cause he is a batshit crazy lefty and the other two cause they are dual-nationals or immigrants themselves having sympathy with the devil.
    I highly doubt that. With the excpetion of a spectacular WC win the discussion was still around as there still is far share of fans not forgiving the unfrogivable. Media in this sense is just a reflection of what people out there think about this. Whistling bound to happen at the next games
     
  11. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    can Lord Mustafi and Count Draxula join him in retirement?
     
  12. Mudig

    Mudig Member

    Mar 29, 2010
    California
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I appreciate what Ozil has done but his best years are already over and it's not a real loss. I'm more worried about the lack of a future for the DFB...will Germany drift away like Italy? A year ago everyone was talking about the incredible youth system in Germany, now everyone is talking about how shit it is and how there is no future prospects.
     
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  13. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    who says there are no future prospects? there are tons of them. The bigger issue in German football is the terrible coaching on all levels including Low. The WC disgrace was on Low none of that changes that there is talent in the country.
     
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  14. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Özil made a stupid choice he didn't think through and didn't handle well after, but I am frankly appalled at the DFB and the fans. The DFB throwing him under the bus when it suited them to have a scapegoat was pathetic, and the fans choosing to abuse Özil to the degree they did was equally so. Best of luck to Mesut moving forward.
     
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  15. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    what happened to Ozil is sad but either way it is time to move on from him. Next WC he'll be 34 years old, no one wants to see a 34 year old AM or Winger.

    Instead of using the EC on him, it's time to think about the next WC and who could help there.
     
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  16. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    You're too sympathetic to a supporter of an autocrat
     
  17. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
  18. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
     
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  19. dips82

    dips82 Member+

    Oct 11, 2013
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Ozil played a master stroke to have a little dignified exit from the NT....simply because of sporting reason he is the 2nd person from the World Cup squad after Khedira to be dropped...so before getting axed by the coach he played the victim card and declared he doesn't want to play for the NT...

    Thanks Mesut for all your services....you are no longer needed in the NT for the betterment t of the NT...have a nice rest of your career and life....
     
  20. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    shame that Ozil's statements have draw out comments like Germany is a racist country. Even though all of his problems have to do with the incompetent Grindel and company. Who after the biggest disgrace in German NT history should have been fired/resigned.

    I just hope that German duals/triple nationals don't decide against playing for Germany because of this type of public outburst.
     
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  21. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    In the end - the the players that want to win titles will opt for Germany for that very reason.
     
  22. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    how's the media spinning this?
     
  23. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I seriously doubt he acted with full knowledge of what the implications were of his actions. Even if he did, that doesn't excuse the DFB's supporting him and then backstabbing him for a cheap, convenient scapegoat, nor does it excuse the full range of the fans and media's behaviour, which has been frankly shameful throughout.
     
  24. hava

    hava Member+

    Apr 30, 2016
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    It is the correct time to plan without Özil but I'm sorry about the way his NT career probably ends. A fantastic player at his height, a joy to watch for everyone who loves football and not the problem in this WC. From the position where he made the pass to the missed Hummels header, you couldn't put your team in a better position to score. That vision and technique was Özil in a nutshell.

    But he also can't have it both ways. He can't take this photo with Erdogan and then act offended that he is referred to as a German-Turk. He might have a point but with the former action, he loses the highground and basis to complain about the latter as an insult. I also don't think he did himself a favour by trying to compare his actions with whatever Mercedes or Grindel have done in the past.
    That said, let's be honest. There was a small segment in the population that always had a problem with Özil and that used every opportunity to dump on him. It isn't a problem that started with Özil but it was magnified for him to an extent that wouldn't have happened to players who have their ancestral roots in other countries.

    About Grindel, it's clear he should have never been DFB President and the way he got that position was controversial from the beginning. I always saw him as the prejudice you have of a career politician: A scheming opportunist. He liked to bask in the glory of the NT when the success was there and when failure occurs, he's the best at pointing fingers. He's a disgrace for that position.
     
  25. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    @ MS They didnt make him a scapegoat
     

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