Match 63: BEL : ENG - FAGHANI (IRN)

Discussion in 'World Cup 2018: Refereeing' started by balu, Jul 12, 2018.

  1. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    Why caution for DR in waning moments if you aren’t going to add on the time the delay and caution took?
     
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  2. Pierre Head

    Pierre Head Member+

    Dec 24, 2005
    World's most useless YC just issued! What was the point of that with all the stuff
    that was let go in this WC?

    Sheesh!

    Edit: Actually the one to Maguire was just as useless too!

    PH
     
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  3. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    No. France got one in the semi.
     
  4. kayakhorn

    kayakhorn Member+

    Oct 10, 2011
    Arkansas
    I’m pretty sure I saw one in an earlier game, but I have no idea which.
     
  5. Pittsburgh Ref

    Pittsburgh Ref Member+

    Oct 7, 2014
    da 'Burgh
    Certainly have not been a rash of those.
     
  6. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 25, 2006
    I realize this was tongue in cheek, but I do feel for these guys. It would suck to get a World Cup assignment, rules laid out on how you’re to operate, multi-screen hi-tech display and then be essentially told by FIFA, “After the second round of group games, we don’t actually want you to do anything.”
     
  7. voiceoflg

    voiceoflg Member+

    Dec 8, 2005
    I'm glad for it. When I issue one and they complain, I can say "It was done in the WC."
     
  8. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    My point was more about not adding time. The caution should not be the price of wasting times—the referee should both caution and add time to make tactic ineffective.
     
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  9. Pierre Head

    Pierre Head Member+

    Dec 24, 2005
    Anyone decides to referee their matches based on what we saw in this World Cup will be heading for a world of hurt!
    Stick to proper application of the LOTG.

    PH
     
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  10. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    Easy game for Faghani to whistle and he whistled fine. Some of the comments here are bizarre but I suppose that is how it is with some people.
     
  11. Pierre Head

    Pierre Head Member+

    Dec 24, 2005
    Under most circumstances, yes. But in this case 2-0 up, third place game, last 15 secs, totally worthless.

    PH
     
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  12. Bubba Atlanta

    Bubba Atlanta Member+

    Mar 2, 2012
    Yep, Atlanta
    Club:
    Atlanta United FC
    Well, yes, that, and ... a reflection of how little really there was to talk about.
     
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  13. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    While this was legitimately an easy match to whistle, and a hard one to mess up, even easy matches can be messed up and made to look harder than they should be by some referees unnecessary intervening and making bone-headed decisions. In fact, whenever a match ends up looking easy to whistle without much to talk about, it usually means the referee did his job fine.
     
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  14. Pierre Head

    Pierre Head Member+

    Dec 24, 2005
    Several of these in this match. Trivial events.
    Not needed for control in this match. Not sure what the purpose was.

    PH
     
  15. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    I don’t really disagree—except that if it worth cautioning for, it is worth giving them the 15 seconds.

    But I also agree that when these are the kinds of things we talk about, he did fine. I do think it was an easy game where the teams both just came out to play. But he still reffed consistent with that, but for a few minor things we can quibble about. And there are always going to be some things we can quibble about, no matter how well a ref does in a game.
     
  16. JohnW

    JohnW Member

    Apr 27, 2001
    St. Paul
    Referee definitely looked like he was padding his YC stats there at the end of the game. :)
     
  17. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    That's exactly why the Fair Play tie breaker was so useless and unfair. Let's ignore a bunch of cautions during the game and then throw in some meaningless cautions at the end that actually modify player behavior. It's so arbitrary.
     
  18. Pierre Head

    Pierre Head Member+

    Dec 24, 2005
    This is why I don't understand what his thinking was here. Most referees like to have a well-played match (which this was) that has no cautions. It shows good management skills. Throwing that away with pointless YCs is quite ridiculous.

    PH
     
  19. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I’m with you. Either add the time for the time wasting since he carded or just say screw it and let it go. I would have been fine with either, but carding and then blowing for full time was a little odd.

    Overall, Faghani did fine. Easy game to manage with all of the Premier League players and England having really tired legs. Good fitness by Faghani, he had some great sprints on Belgian counters.
     
  20. FootyPDX

    FootyPDX Member

    Portland Timbers
    England
    Nov 21, 2017
    He kept his distance when England had the ball in thier attacking third so he could keep up with the counter. Of course this led to missing a couple otherwise obvious fouls that ended in Belgian counter attacks.
     
  21. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    There are times when a referee or a player or a team's performance can legitimately bring questions. And when spin and attempts to undermine those performances can have an affect on ultimate impressions. There are also times when a referee or player or team does well enough that some random comments trying to undermine it will make no difference.

    Faghani whistled 4 games without a glitch and doing very well, with each game leaving very little of any significance for discussion. In terms of his speed, that is also a matter of fact and record. Trying to make comments to suggest otherwise is ridiculous. The speed Faghani recorded, for instance, coming back on one of Mexico's counters (shown below) against Germany was better than either Lozano or Kimmich!

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  22. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why so defensive of your countryman?

    You seemed to have no issues blasting Geiger.
     
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  23. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    I was critical of Geiger for his game management in the match against Colombia, not because of his nationality. Did I make any negative comments about Geiger in the other games he had whistled? No. But you had to be blinded by bias not to realize that Geiger didn't exhibit the kind of management over the Colombia game you would expect from a referee. I admit that was a tough game to whistle, but I felt even if that wasn't expected beforehand, it became clear from the early minutes with the constant and senseless protests, actions, and behavior from Colombia's players. Gegier needed to stamp his authority on that match very early and if he had done so, the game wouldn't have looked like the mess it looked for the most part.
     
  24. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    Incidentally, the fact that Geiger wasn't sent home but also wasn't given any more assignments as a CR was appropriate in my view as well. Including, serving as VAR in this match.

    Geiger overall is good in deciding how to call incidents he sees on the pitch. His failing was mostly game management issues. Something that matters a lot for the CR and isn't significant for those in other referee positions.

    I hope that Geiger truly takes the right lessons from the Colombia match. Those lessons aren't about handing out red cards in abandon and ruining games that way. It is instead about stamping your authority on a match quickly and decisively at the first instance where you think a side is there to make things difficult to whistle. For me, at least, Geiger's mistakes started early in this regard when ridiculously unmeritorious dissent from Colombia didn't even draw a stern look or warning, and when fights between players early in the game were left totally unpunished, and then when Geiger didn't ask for VAR on the head-but against Henderson even though he obviously hadn't seen the incident and was relying on someone else for his call. If he had done the things I mentioned from the get go, I don't think the rest of the incidents that happened would have happened the same way.
     
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  25. Pierre Head

    Pierre Head Member+

    Dec 24, 2005
    So now the Geiger Eng-Col thread continues into this one! Takes the cake.:(

    PH
     

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