Das Reboot and the Road to UEFA Nations League & EC2020

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  1. Berchtesgaden

    Berchtesgaden Member+

    May 18, 2011
    Milwaukee
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    Why limit the search to just German coaches? That deep pool gave us Loew whom everyone wants out.

    The original reboot required Germany to look beyond its training methods to other nations for technical training (Spain) fitness and technology (USA)

    Again the DFB needs to put together a list of qualifications and then hire. Eliminating all non Germans solely because they aren’t German is pure hubris.
     
  2. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Low has nothing to do with the deep pool. He's the assistant who became the coach. Which Germany historically has always done majority of our coaches have been empty resumes and assistants becoming coaches.

    no NT hires world class coaches anyways. Once again if you go outside your saying that deep pool of coaches is not good enough that we need outside.

    since when is hiring a coach from withing to represent your own country hubris? That coach still needs to fit what the dfb looking for. 1 failure after decade of success and people want to stop hiring German coaches......And the suggestions are Wenger and Hassenhuttl, there are plenty of German coaches better than those 2 farces.
     
  3. Berchtesgaden

    Berchtesgaden Member+

    May 18, 2011
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    I am not saying we shouldn’t hire a German coach. Additionally I am not saying all German coaches should be avoided because of this World Cup. I am saying exclude no coach based on nationality. Only looking at German coaches is not wise in my opinion.
     
  4. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    the real question is do you think the dfb would really go for foreign?

    people seem too keen on these guys when it comes to German. Nagelsmann, Klopp, Tedesco, Tuchel. All these guys could open up in 4 years or less though based on their current contracts. Tuchel is only signed on for 2 years. And deals are made earlier all the time.

    no one should expect us to win anything during a rebuild/transition period. The reason why Grindel and others are keen on Low staying is because he won the CC with a bunch of kids.

    if your hiring a coach for only a 2 year contract might as well stick with domestic before going for the bigger coaches.
     
  5. Berchtesgaden

    Berchtesgaden Member+

    May 18, 2011
    Milwaukee
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    Columbus Crew
    No I don’t think they would. I am worried they won’t even consider it.

    I just want them to cast a wide net and not eliminate anyone. Why not consider a Zidane - French and coached in Spain. Now I realize many reasons we wouldn’t want him and probably more important he would not want to coach Germany. That said in my opinion think outside the box
     
  6. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Zidane is being tipped to coach the France NT by the current coach Didier Deschamps and others.

    a big no, to Zidane because he's French. We have rivalry with France throughout history even in non football terms. Besides how does it make Germany look if you hire a French icon who's the ex French NT captain who also led them to 1 WC, 1EC and even a WC final in Germany?

    maybe thinking outside the box has nothing to do with foreign coach? Hiring Klopp, Tuchel, Nagelsmann, or Tedesco is not thinking outside the box. But all other German guys are.;)
     
  7. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    there is a reason as to why people bring up Wenger and Hassenhuttl it's because they speak German. Any foreign coach who can't speak German is already not happening.

    Our Austrian and Swiss neighbors depend a ton on German football coaching and developing talent. Best Austrian leagues coaches are currently German and their NT coach is also German.
     
  8. Berchtesgaden

    Berchtesgaden Member+

    May 18, 2011
    Milwaukee
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    I don’t understand eliminating a quality candidate based on nationality. The fact France may want him makes him more attractive in my eyes

    I don’t think Germany hiring a non German coach is a sign of weakness. It is a sign that no single country has a monopoly on ideas.
     
  9. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Zidane doesn't speak German and honestly who cares what France wants to do. Nor do I put him as a guy for rebuilding. His squad did well in CL because they are all quality players who aren't young to begin with.

    hiring a Frenchman for German NT coach is as bad as hiring a Dutch coach.
     
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  10. Jordan Khamra

    Jordan Khamra Member

    May 21, 2014
    Reasons for this WC disaster

    Arrogance - WC2014 win, ConFed Win, U21 win, Silver Olympic medal, 100% qualification red, Semi Final EC was a fluke after dominating the game... Germany always struggled in friendlies and they thought they would just be able to turn it on.

    No difference makers - at some point things are not going to be going your way and someone has to pull the team out (the way Ribery tried against Real Madrid when they were behind -wanting the ball, running and dribbling and trying to create something...). We don't have those types of players

    Lack of pressure and competitiveness - Bayern is dominating the BL, BL teams are not doing well in Europe. Bayern's go to players when things are not going well are non Germany (Ribery Robbern and Lewandowski).

    Similar type skillset - Our players are the perfect fit when scoring first and using passing and combination play to kill off the opponent. But against packed defenses, you need to be able to dribble and run at defenders to break their organization... Team needs dribbling wingers and a deep-lying midfielder that can bring up the ball (De Bryne).
     
  11. saj7866

    saj7866 Member+

    Dortmund
    Germany
    May 10, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    100% agree
     
  12. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Ballack
    MICHAEL BALLACK has slammed the German FA for handing Joachim Low a new four-year contract ahead of the World Cup.

    Former Germany captain Ballack reckons the DFB made an error in putting the new contract in front of Low before the tournament.

    “Big tournaments are fixed points for each country,” he told Betfair.

    “After a European or World Cup, you can judge the work that has been done in the previous two years. Which way did we go? Was it a move in the right direction?

    “Friendlies and tournament qualifiers for a footballing nation like Germany are not proper indicators of the state of our team.

    “For this reason, it was unnecessary to give Joachim Low a four-year contract extension just four weeks before the World Cup started.

    The DFB have not presented themselves in a good light, both before and during the World Cup.

    “Problems arose, but they were not dealt with and communication from the DFB has been poor, they seemed too comfortable going into the tournament, despite the contract extension and the and the Recep Tayyip Erdogan story.

    “Now the people responsible for all this are under massive pressure.

    “Whether Low is still the right person to manage this team, I cannot say. In my experience, he was a really good coach who could give even weaker teams a clear plan and identity.

    “Today, the coach and team have to be put under serious scrutiny. That's for sure.”
     
  13. Ger90

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    May 13, 2016
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    Germany
    Philipp Lahm on Germany's early exit from the WC18: "It was a unpredictable performance, the team needs drastic changes, which will be painful for some, but I appeal to the leaders to tackle the challenges vigorously. These defeats in WC should be the basis for future success."
     
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  14. dips82

    dips82 Member+

    Oct 11, 2013
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    From the current world guard I would like only Mats Hummels and Toni Kronos to continue as we need them...the others including a Neuer can go
     
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  15. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
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    Germany
    that's actually what I also feel should happen. But don't do the same mistakes like this tourney with Kroos who was basically alone.

    in terms of older players I would like to keep Reus for a min of another 2 years. You never know when his quality/class could come in handy.
     
  16. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany


    seems like he could be staying from that tweet. The dfb want him to stay because of his CC win with the kids. He did talk about needing BIG changes for Germany moving forward. But he seriously needs better assistants on top of changing his whole approach, if that's the end result.

    If you have to go from within, Kuntz might be the better option from that list. Won the U21 EC with a B team as 8 players went to the CC and another 3ish were out injured. Sorg and Schneider are not the guys you would want.

    Klose I want him to get experience before taking on such a huge task.
     
  17. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    #167 Ger90, Jun 29, 2018
    Last edited: Jun 29, 2018
    something else from Bild, posted today.
    Jurgen Klopp, Jupp Heynckes, Thomas Tuchel, Miroslav Klose, Marcus Sorg, Thomas Schneider, Stefan Kuntz, Matthias Sammer and Klinsmann were mentioned by Bild as possible candidates should Low step down.

    Interesting Kuntz spoke about Germany's issues.
    U21 national team coach Stefan Kuntz sees dangers that German football in the youth sector is losing importance. "At present (...) other nations are overtaking us, they are faster, more dynamic and more accurate in many areas - they have developed, adapted and implemented their system," said the 55-year-old from the daily newspaper Rheinische Post "(Wednesday).

    Until recently, the German Football Association had been praised for his work as a junior and would still do so abroad. "We've made tremendous progress over the last few years, and we harvested the crop in 2014. We're world champions, Confed Cup winners and European Under-21 champions," said Kuntz.

    He believes, however, "that we may have gone too far into trends, neglecting creativity, individual game positions, as well as traditional tackling, the core of the game."



    what I remember about Kuntz in the 2017 U21 EC is that Low's suicide tactics is something he would never ever do. The guy always made sure to have defensive stability and his team was never slow. He also seemed less likely to have favorites, when Dahoud played poorly during the Italy game, he benched him the following game and he never came back on the field after that in the tourney. Low on the other hand, benches Khedira for 1 game only to bring him back the following game, because he trusts him.

    he also seems to see some of our issues. That Low says we need BIG changes.
     
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  18. Mudig

    Mudig Member

    Mar 29, 2010
    California
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Why would anyone want Wenger to come in and manage a bunch of pussies who don't want to take any responsibility? He's already been doing that with Arsenal for decades. He'll just come in and enable this weak mentality. Anyway, Germany lacks good finishers and from the looks of it, they aren't going to have any answers for that position in a long time.
     
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  19. dips82

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    Oct 11, 2013
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    FC Bayern München
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    Germany
    #169 dips82, Jun 29, 2018
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    Do we have 15 quality young outfield players?

    Kimmich, Sule, Rudiger, Weigl, Goretzka, Havertz, Brandt, Sane, Gnabry, Werner - who else?

    Where is the next goalkeeper after Ter Stegen?
     
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  20. dips82

    dips82 Member+

    Oct 11, 2013
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
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    Germany
    #170 dips82, Jun 29, 2018
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    One of Klostermann and Henrichs needs to establish themselves as NT material next season...

    Baumgartl, Kempf has talent to become NT quality I think...

    In midfield if Max Meyer goes to Milan we can safely assume his career is finished like Marin...otherwise he still have a chance...

    Still have little hope that Gotze can make a turnaround under Favre and have great 4 years ahead..

    If Reus can adjust himself as center forward then we can count of him for another couple of years...otherwise do not want to see an aged, slow, injury prone winger in the squad....

    Do not have much hope on the forward line - Fullkrug, Selke are limited player...maybe Volland still have little more chance?

    Stindl can help us next 2 years during this transition phase...

    Uth, Weiser, Max Philip left back are bang average players like Platenhardt who will not make our NT better....

    Tah, Ginter should be stopgap solution in case of injuries....

    Want to see how winger Philip Max, Marius Wolf and that Stuttgart guy(forgot his name) does this season....

    The steady decline in number of young German players in Bundesliga club is going to hurt our NTs next few years...
     
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  21. nekkibasara

    nekkibasara Member+

    Apr 12, 2004
    Fairfax, Virginia
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Not firing the coaching staff says that failure is acceptable to the DFB. The youth failures have gone unpunished. The culture in the entire association needs to change.
     
  22. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I think there are plenty more young to mid-20s German that could be considered. But I think it's too early, the reason is that the next 2 seasons could determine who is in the NT.

    I'm willing to make a list of all German players young to mid-20s in 1BL once the season starts and we see who plays where. As every season we get players who are promoted to the 1st teams or even guys from the reserves getting promotions. As well as transfers in and out, transfer market opens July 1.

    for striker, Selke and Fullkrug are a different type, more of the old fashioned targetman type. Still useful to have, there are other strikers like Uth and still plenty who are transferring in. Last season, Germans did well in terms of scoring in 1BL. But in terms of better prospects we are likely to have to wait until 2022. As guys who are like 17-19 will be 22-23 by then.

    as for the foreign issue in 1BL, I always get the feeling that people don't like discussing the topic as if it was taboo. Italians, British and even Americans with MLS as well as others are complaining about too many foreign players in their own leagues blocking domestic players. Blame things like globolization, marketing, open borders etc on such things. I think it's worse when 1BL take in mediocre players over playing their own youths/reserves. And the league is filled with mediocre players who have less long term prospects than the youth players.
     
  23. saj7866

    saj7866 Member+

    Dortmund
    Germany
    May 10, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    This is ridiculous, surely Loew can't stay, everyone has a shelf life and his has come to a end, I'd go for jupp or stephen kuntz who at least has his own identity for the team, ballack is spot on here the dfb are in no position to release loew now because of his new contract he signed, if loew has any credibility then he should resign
     
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  24. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    things that are +.in Kuntz's favor besides winning an International Tournament with a B team. Is that he's a youth coach, so integration of youth would be doable for him. And he seems to understand our issues and what we need to work on.

    the dfb should never stand still to let other countries catch up especially our footballing rivals. We should always try to stay ahead, not get lazy because of success. The more you stay ahead the more success you'll get.

    the new DFB Academy should open soon though, that should help tremendously.
     
  25. saj7866

    saj7866 Member+

    Dortmund
    Germany
    May 10, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Yes spot on, this is going to sound bad but this world cup catastrophe could actually be a blessing in disguise as you pointed out with winning everything we just basically ignored the issues, we certainly cannot rest on our laurels our rivals have looked at the dfb system and implement it and advanced it, Italy will bounce back, the dutch, Belgium have talent to burn, England have some excellent young crop coming through, French are strong and Brazil are Brazil, with all this we require new leadership at the helm, like you stated kuntz knows the issues and it would be wise to appoint him as new energy and dedication is required, loew must resign because if ge doesn't then all the negativity of this world cup will remain
     
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