Match 39: NGA : ARG - CAKIR (TUR)

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  1. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I got the ball ref!
     
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  2. Geko

    Geko Member

    Sacremento Geckos
    United States
    May 25, 2016
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This was weird. I first thought it was simulation, dismissed it, then saw the replay and thought it was penalty. But Iheanacho got up, didn't seem to ask for anything, and kept going. Nobody cried wolf.

    Not even the Reddit matchthread has more than 2 people saying "definite pen".

    In that moment do you just shrug and say "Welp, what does the game expect?" And you know me, I have no problem calling something controversial if it's right.
     
  3. footyref1

    footyref1 Member

    Nov 2, 2010
    South Carolina
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Did you offer to kick him in the forehead and then ask how he liked it?
     
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  4. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Apparently Maradona is planning to referee today. Guy is wearing watches on both wrists. :)
     
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  5. Iforgotwhat8wasfor

    Jun 28, 2007
    Trifling?
     
  6. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, but that's not the sort of penalty we usually see given. So my critique is more aimed at the VAR and asking why a two-armed hold followed by a kick to the head isn't clearly a penalty on video. But, that's more of an aerial challenge and VARs have been consistent about sending absolutely zero of those down.
     
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  7. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Really?

    He grabbed him by both shoulders so he couldn't jump. Then he kicked him in the head on his follow-through.

    @Geko has this right. This is usually not a penalty under the "what does the game expect?" mantra. My only problem is that in an age where a lot of unexpected penalties can now be given, how do you distinguish this one from the others?
     
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  8. puyol

    puyol Member+

    FC Barcelona
    Dec 24, 2009
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    The Argentine defender didn't kick the Nigerian's head , the other way around , after he cleared the ball the Nigerian player tried to head it and ended up hitting the player foot instead , no way in hell that's a penalty
     
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  9. Iforgotwhat8wasfor

    Jun 28, 2007
    Didn't see the arms, just the rake of the face in the follow through.

    Although I believe current FIFA interpretation is that holding is okay so long as you aren't using Stickum
     
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  10. El Rayo Californiano

    Feb 3, 2014
    I got the body, I got the ball, I got the head.
     
  11. Kempa

    Kempa Member

    Sep 6, 2007
    Washington Suburbs
    Club:
    Sao Paulo FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    And falling asleep during the game. ;)
     
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  12. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Cakir you beauty.
     
  13. TxSooner

    TxSooner Member

    Aug 12, 2011
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    That dude is my hero
     
  14. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Of course the referee to make the big balls decision is Cakir.
     
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  15. footyref1

    footyref1 Member

    Nov 2, 2010
    South Carolina
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The sad thing is this is one of the softest of the holding penalty claims in this tournament. It's correct, but there are probably 4-5 worse than this.
     
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  16. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
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    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Finally a gutsy official calls a penalty!!!!
     
  17. zahzah

    zahzah Member+

    Jun 27, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    But honestly the Iheanacho situation was much more of a penalty :) I guess its a situation of 'enough is enough'.
     
  18. Iforgotwhat8wasfor

    Jun 28, 2007
    I guess Çakır heard me.
     
  19. footyref1

    footyref1 Member

    Nov 2, 2010
    South Carolina
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    At the same moment Croatia go up 1-0 on Iceland. Hold on to your butts!
     
  20. footyref1

    footyref1 Member

    Nov 2, 2010
    South Carolina
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Dr. Joe read my post...
     
  21. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ugh. I want to support that call. I really do.

    But when almost no one calls that for 38 matches and then Cakir spots a somewhat marginal version of it... I really don't know.

    If that had been called since day one, I've got no problem with it. But we've probably had 40+ instances of referees threatening to call it. Only Ricci made this call and it was blatant in that case. This one is harder to justify when you look at the tournament as a whole. Penalty incidents like this do not occur in a vacuum at a World Cup.
     
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  22. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Cakir has the stones to call it. It says a lot more about the other officials than it does about Cakir.

    He was the perfect choice for this game.
     
  23. Iforgotwhat8wasfor

    Jun 28, 2007
    TBH I thought it was a dive.
     
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  24. Geko

    Geko Member

    Sacremento Geckos
    United States
    May 25, 2016
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I thought that. I like that, when there's a clear cut penalty, Dr. Joe begrudgingly says "By the letter of the lawww" it's a penalty. Why the delineation? Other penalties were missed, and this was a clear as day penalty. Great call. Is it so hard for announcers to say "Great call! Good job referee buddy! Doing your job well"?
     
  25. Rufusabc

    Rufusabc Member+

    May 27, 2004
    I was just going to write to say I’m getting a little tired of the referees stopping the corner to lecture the players.....and I guess they didn’t pay attention.
     
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