Match 23: ARG : CRO - IRMATOV (UZB)

Discussion in 'World Cup 2018: Refereeing' started by MassachusettsRef, Jun 20, 2018.

  1. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We all can wish. But it won't happen. Irmatov will work again.
     
  2. Baka_Shinpan

    Baka_Shinpan Member

    Mar 28, 2011
    Between the posts
    Club:
    Vegalta Sendai
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    This guy is an embarrassment.
     
  3. ColoradoRef

    ColoradoRef Member

    Jul 10, 2011
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    YAY! A masscon with all three officials invovled, and, IMO, violent conduct for kicking the ball at the head of an opponent. Should be red
     
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  4. espola

    espola Member+

    Feb 12, 2006
    I have risked ejection in my past for asking the referee if he forgot his red card. I would be asking now.
     
  5. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Who knew that FIFA would solve my concerns about VAR consistency simply by not calling anything?
     
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  6. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
  7. colman1860

    colman1860 Member

    Nov 13, 2012
    London, England
    VC? Who needs it
     
  8. ColoradoRef

    ColoradoRef Member

    Jul 10, 2011
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh, but he can.
     
  9. elonpuckhog

    elonpuckhog Member

    Dec 29, 2009
    Otamendi should be off.
     
  10. me116

    me116 Member

    Aug 25, 2017
    Narrator: VAR missed it.
     
  11. Kempa

    Kempa Member

    Sep 6, 2007
    Washington Suburbs
    Club:
    Sao Paulo FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Error 404. Threshold for red card not found.
     
  12. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Will Zwayer be VAR again after this?
     
  13. espola

    espola Member+

    Feb 12, 2006
    Donovan's "root for Mexico" is at the other end of the spectrum.
     
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  14. maturin

    maturin Member

    Jun 8, 2004
    If that's not turned into a red card for VC on review, then truly, what is the point of VAR? Otamendi blasted the ball into Rakitic's head from eighteen inches away. Textbook example of using the ball to strike a player. I literally don't see how anything could be more clear than that.
     
  15. jarbitro

    jarbitro Member+

    Mar 13, 2003
    N'Djamena, Tchad
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So this is bad... But is it bad enough to end his tournament? IDK
     
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  16. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Unless you handle the ball from going into an empty you're not getting sent off in this tournament. VAR is just a waste.
     
  17. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
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    May 25, 2006
    Unbelievable
     
  18. cleansheetbsc

    cleansheetbsc Member+

    Mar 17, 2004
    Club:
    --other--
    FIFA will reward this performance with a round of 8 game for sure.
     
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  19. Geko

    Geko Member

    Sacremento Geckos
    United States
    May 25, 2016
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This feels like a textbook "old guard" kind of refereeing: If you keep 22 players on the field, you pass your assessment.
     
  20. pedr

    pedr Member

    Jul 9, 2006
    I wonder if the VAR doesn’t refer that because he knows or suspects that the referee wouldn’t change it to a red even if he did see it again? It isn’t as if he didn’t see it reasonably clearly in real time.
     
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  21. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    To be fair to him (and FIFA), it's been said that the standard for VAR intervention would be high. You can make cases, individually, that each of the three situations we've spoken about didn't 100% absolutely need to be red.

    I put this all on Irmatov. His foul selection and management style allowed this to happen.

    But again, errors of commission get remembered; errors of omission rarely do. So we'll see what disposition FIFA takes.
     
  22. BlueNosedRef

    BlueNosedRef Member

    Sep 5, 2011
    This is obviously a poor performance, but my feeling is that stronger intervention earlier in the match would just result in a red card (or two) and only slightly better match control, ultimately.
     
  23. espola

    espola Member+

    Feb 12, 2006
    I hate to press this too hard, but at least he did not call handling on the player lying on the ground. It looked like he deliberately tried to protect his face with his hand.
     
  24. espola

    espola Member+

    Feb 12, 2006
    I would love to hear your case for the last one not being red.
     
  25. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Huh? He'd already stopped play for a foul. There can't be handling.
     
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