News: Monday, April 09 , 2018

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by Fiosfan, Apr 9, 2018.

  1. eddygee

    eddygee Member+

    DC United
    May 12, 2007
    Moco, Maryland
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    http://www.espn.co.uk/football/liga...g-stratospheric-money-to-close-gap-on-liga-mx

    Miguel Herrera: MLS spending 'stratospheric' money to close gap on Liga MX

    Herrera then said MLS was doing things "under the table" outside of formal salaries to attract players to the league, and pointed to the LA Galaxy's ability to sign a global star like Zlatan Ibrahimovic and still pay him below the threshold of a designated player.

    "They have three designated players that are different," Herrera continued. "[But] they've started to do things under the table.

    "Zlatan goes to MLS and what he supposedly earns with the Galaxy is nothing compared to what he earned in Manchester. Naturally they gave him something aside so he'd be happy to go to the league."


    Piojo is insinuating that MLS teams are skirting rules. Isn't that a slippery slope. I was under the impression that many Liga MX teams did the same with reported salaries as to evade taxes. That's what Hercules Gomes claimed from his time in Santos Laguna.
     
  2. PhillyMLS

    PhillyMLS Member+

    Oct 24, 2000
    SE PA
    Or Zlatan is already rich as shit and took what he could get since he really just wanted to be in LA. I also believe that many Euro contracts also cover the image rights (or parts of the image rights) of a player while MLS contracts do not as far as I know. When Ronaldo signed for Madrid in 2009 they were negotiating over the percent of rights Madrid got. The standard was 50/50 and Ronaldo wanted more. He then sold his image rights to someone in 2015 for 130 million or so. If MLS doesn't get a cut then everything that Zlatan does with his image goes straight to him. That can make-up for a bit of the pay cut he took to come to LA.
     
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  3. Len

    Len Member+

    Club: Dallas Tornado
    Jan 18, 1999
    Everywhere and Nowhere.....I'm the wind, baby.
    #4 Len, Apr 9, 2018
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    It's amazing how many people seem to miss this. At some point in most people's lives, money moves down the list. It's on the list, but not at the top. There are so many other factors that one can consider - especially if they haven't been completely stupid with their money along the way - as they age. Zlatan is certainly not old, but he's probably reached the age where he realizes his playing career will actually end one day soon (when you're young, you think whatever your doing is going to last forever) and now just wants to use his talent for.....new adventures, challenges, whatever....and just enjoy living.
     
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  4. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    #5 falvo, Apr 9, 2018
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    What cracks me up the most is reading the Euro boards and media. When Ibra scored twice last week, everyone went on and on and said, the "Level of the League is not that great and that was why he scored twice" etc etc etc...

    This week the narrative will be, he has a terrible team, he doesn't have a good supporting cast, no GK no defense, bla bla bla....

    Of course none of them will give credit to KC who has been a perennial winners for thee last 5/6 years...


    They have a pretty good team I'd say....

    MLS Cup

    2013

    Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup

    2012, 2015, 2017
     
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  5. Sachsen

    Sachsen Member+

    Aug 8, 2003
    Broken Arrow, Okla.
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Last night, the announcers mentioned that this is Besler's and Zusi's 10th season with SKC. Then you have guys like Espinoza, Sinovic, Opara, and of course Vermes and Zavagnin on the coaching staff, and it adds up to a long run of consistent results.

    People love to hate Vermes but he is nothing if not consistent.

    Vermes' SKC teams remind me a LOT of the other two teams I used to love: Bobby Cox's Atlanta Braves, and Jerry Sloan's Utah Jazz.
     
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  6. Egbert Sousé

    Egbert Sousé Member

    NYCFC
    May 25, 2013
    nyc
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Does Liga MX have a salary cap? If they don't, WTF does he care how Los Angeles is putting together their roster? Does Herrera get his panties in a knot from the "stratospheric" money spent in other leagues?
     
  7. scheck

    scheck Member

    Mar 13, 2007
    Denver
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #8 scheck, Apr 9, 2018
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    Yeah, I really don't see what he's complaining about. The whole interview comes across as Herrera feeling threatened by the growth of MLS, though. He has a legitimate worry, as the amount of money in the game on this side of the border will eventually win out. He talks about Mexico catching up to the euro leagues, but we all know there's just not a whole lot of potential for growth left.
     
  8. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Not sure where the knock on Vermes comes from. He was a good national team forward then converted to defense where he was a pretty decent defender. He seems to be a winner.
     
  9. noel R

    noel R Member

    Nov 20, 2007
    chicago
    Just like the richest teams in the EPL were the first to bitch when PSG or the Chinese league started spending money. The guy who coaches America, maybe the biggest spending team in Mexican history is crying.
     
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  10. SUDano

    SUDano Member+

    Jan 18, 2003
    Rochester, NY
    Herrera contradicts himself. Claims stratospheric money being spent despite Liga MX ability to do the same then claiming Zlatan not signing for alot of money so they must be cheating to spend more money under the table. Huh?
     
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  11. Sachsen

    Sachsen Member+

    Aug 8, 2003
    Broken Arrow, Okla.
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The hate on Vermes is for two main reasons.

    1. He complains and gripes a lot on the sideline and is vocal and animated. (But show me a successful coach who doesn't, and isn't...)

    2. Opposing teams' fans don't like his teams' style of play. It's hard-nosed, aggressive, in-your-face, and gets close to the "dirty" line without quite going over. Much like the kind of player he was.

    Again, a really good comparison can be drawn to the Jazz and Jerry Sloan, who had a very similar outlook. And the play reminds one of John Stockton. His fans called him tough and hardnosed. His opponents called him dirty. He set a record for the most steals but most teams thought he should've been called for a lot more fouls.
     
  12. footballfantatic

    Mar 27, 2008
    Ontario, California
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Exactly! The real question is: Is this the Golden Age of MLS or will it be in the future? Growth brings challenges.
     
  13. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wait, you think MLS has rules? And that they apply to LA?

    What league have you been watching?
     
  14. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    What's interesting is Liga MX has had their league intact for over 80 years and it still a very strong league. MLS is only 20 years old so I'm not sure why he would feel threatened by MLS.

    On the other hand, going back to the days of the old NASL, not too many aging (older or younger) superstars made their way to Mexico as they do/did to the USA & Canada. I know Eusébio , Grzegorz Lato ,François Omam-Biyik , Iván Zamorano, Maurizio Gaudino, Pep Guardiola , Rafael Martín Vázquez, Mauro Camoranesi , Keisuke Honda and a lot of other Latin Americans. Usually though the big names all went to the NASL or MLS.
     
  15. Fiosfan

    Fiosfan Red Card

    Mar 21, 2010
    Nevada
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    New York City FC
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  16. RfrancisR

    RfrancisR Member+

    Aug 7, 2006
    New Orleans Diaspora
    It’s really none of Herrera ‘s business how MLS enforces its salary rules. Now more than ever, TFC has to eliminate Club America. This whiny ninnie baby in Herrera deserves an humiliation.
     
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  17. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
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    United States
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  18. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As somebody who is (unexpectedly) currently in the job market I can relate to this. My salary number isn't as important now as the full package of benefits, including vacation and such. I'm not Zlatan, I still need to get paid well enough to live, but I can see the viewpoint where the concern is quality of life, not how many 0's.
     
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  19. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In recent years (say the past 10) what rule has LA broken that the rest of the league hasn't gotten to use? I'll absolutely agree that LA pushes the limits and forces the league to change its rules but once the league changes them they've been pretty good in applying it equally across the board now.
     
  20. SUDano

    SUDano Member+

    Jan 18, 2003
    Rochester, NY
    This is the point I made previously. LA does get preferential treatment in that they get to be the first one to change rules. But once they change the rule for LA initially then the rest of the league gets to use them the same way. And there is debate whether LAG was the initiative for TAM/GAM or other teams. Still debatable.
     
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  21. TheRealBilbo

    TheRealBilbo Member+

    Apr 5, 2016
    I guess it would be nice if there was one salary cap, and not a system where different flavors on money can be applied to circumstances.

    Although, homegrown might be a useful exception.
     
  22. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    i have always lectured my sons when they say stuff about how so-and-so has tons of money, what does he care. Well, he didn't get that rich by not caring about money and caring about money isn't a switch one can turn on and off. Either money matters to you or it doesn't.

    But my youngest tossed it back at me the other day about Zlatan. Damned kids, they a)pay attention and b) are willing to wait for years before hoisting you on your own petard. I'm so proud.

    He's a ManU fan (but comes by it honestly; when he was 6 years old we had a British soccer coach stay with us for the summer while he worked some camps and in his spare time - in between drinking my beer and discovering that American girls will give it up in a flat heartbeat for a young athletic guy with an accent - he taught my kid about a zillion old songs. I can still hear them in the back yard kicking a ball around singing "Oooooh, Aaaaah, Cantona" and laughing like idiots) so I mentioned to him that Ibra had signed for a pittance when he could have gone to China for stupid money.

    He looked at me like I'm the village idiot - an art form which children perfect at an early age and never really lose even when they're trying to be polite to the clueless old ******** that raised them - and explained that in LA Zlatan can write his own ticket in a zillion ways and if he really feels the need he can sign a deal with Nike or adidas for more than China would ever pay him. It's not that he doesn't care about the money, it's just that the money's there anytime he wants it and he doesn't have to live in China to get it.
     
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  23. NashSC

    NashSC Member+

    Nashville SC
    United States
    Jan 3, 2018
    This guys complains a whole lot and hits people in the airport. ;)
     
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  24. SUDano

    SUDano Member+

    Jan 18, 2003
    Rochester, NY
    I don't necessarily agree with all the confusion and complexity of all the salary groups. But the business person in me definitely understands it. Why open up spending to allow all teams to have to spend more rather than strategically allow teams to solve a very specific salary need ensuring targeted talent to receive more money.
     

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