DiBiagio's call ups and the March friendlies

Discussion in 'Italy: National Teams' started by Rosay, Mar 17, 2018.

  1. Calcio Pauly

    Calcio Pauly Member+

    Jun 17, 2012
    Club:
    AC Milan
    IAF, Rac's a moron who comes on once every three month to talk about Italy, lol. If you're going to provide therapy, you should be charging him.
     
  2. Italy-Azzurri-Fan

    Nov 15, 2014
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Ah ok thanks for letting me know.

    @Rac93, from now on it is $15 if you want any more information about Italy.
     
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  3. Rac93

    Rac93 Member

    Bayern Munich
    Germany
    Sep 29, 2017
    Lindgard has been very good for Manchester united this year and Rashford is one of the best young players in the EPL. guys like Chiesa and Bernardeschi are nothing special and it showed when you needed them. Insigne and Sterling are both inconsistent but Sterling is the better player. He was a regular starter for City at the start of the year.

    Jorginho is not better then Dier and and I have no idea who Pellegrini even is.

    I dont think your full backs are as great as you think either. You dont see big team going after those guys. Actually I would take Walker and Rose over them.

    The reality is the Italian team isnt very strong right now. The worst part is the best players wont be around much longer. Buffon, Chiellini and Bonucci. Another bad result against England and you guys will likely fall out of the top 20 on the rankings. That will make qualifying for Euro tough.
     
  4. Rac93

    Rac93 Member

    Bayern Munich
    Germany
    Sep 29, 2017
    Im just being honest lol. Im actually giving my opinion on what went wrong with Italian soccer.
     
  5. Italy-Azzurri-Fan

    Nov 15, 2014
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Florenzi has been getting calls from quite a few clubs in the past but wanted to stay at Roma. Barcelona wanted him like 2 years ago. Dude Chiesa is arguably the best young player in Serie A. If he was not there, Fiorentina would be like 14th place at the very best. I agree that Italy is not a very strong team at the moment, but that will change as years go on. Also qualifying for Euro is not hard at all. It is the World Cup that is much harder to qualify. Hopefully we will make Euro have a good run and climb in the FIFA ranks. Then we should be able to get a more favorable draw for World Cup. To be honest with a better coach we would have beaten Sweden in the playoffs.
     
  6. Rosay

    Rosay Member+

    May 7, 2014
    Club:
    AC Milan
    buddy we beat Belgium, Sweden (a team we can't beat now lol), Spain and got kicked out by ze Germans on PKs with a misfield. that's a ********en achievement, all without Verratti and Marchisio and Pirlo. Pretty impressive to me
     
  7. Rac93

    Rac93 Member

    Bayern Munich
    Germany
    Sep 29, 2017
    you could be right but some of these Italian attackers dont play on very big teams and Italy has failed to score a single goal the last 3-4 times Ive watched them play. Its the reason I dont rate them.

    As for Florenzi ive always considered him good but not world class.

    I know I poke at you guys sometimes but not having Italy at the world cup is weird. Im sure bad coaching is a big reason but the quality of the players compared to past teams haven't helped either.
     
  8. Vialli-Toto

    Vialli-Toto Member

    Milan
    Italy
    Mar 26, 2018
    lol at the guys bashing Italy last Euro. The Ireland game was a dead rubber. We already had top spot sewn up and rested players. As for the Germany game we did tremendous to take them to penalties, which we ended up blowing badly. De Rossi destroyed Spain and was missing, as was others mentioned like Motta and Candreva. Italy were already without Marchisio and Verratti before Euro even began, they were certain starters. To take the world champions to penalties without our first string midfield and coming from a goal down is a huge feat.

    This Italy is bad. It says it all when our '' best player '' misses a tap in to put us up 1-0 vs an Argentinian side without their best player and players., and we lose 2-0. We don't deserve to go to the world cup and are in big trouble for the near future. We won't be seeded for the next euro qualifying now and this is also a big reason as to why we're not at this world cup. That Portugal game we lost in 2015, a friendly, although we needed to win to get seeded for 2018 qualifiers ********ed us up big time. We may have needed just a draw in actual fact, regardless, we lost to a Ronaldo-less Portugal and missed out on getting seeded. We got pitted with Spain, who we owned at the euros just months before but still got shown up. The main reason is the inept coaches and inept player calibre. We just don't have it anymore. Not scoring a single goal against a very average Sweden team over two games speaks for itself as did the last 3-4 qualifiers where we scored what, one goal?


    Massive problems.
     
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  9. calabrese8

    calabrese8 Member+

    Feb 9, 2008
    Vancouver
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    I’ll give you the first two but Giak in a starting XI is fine by me on any of those teams he made. He raised his game anytime he played for the national team. I can’t hardky say the same for guys like Immobile, Insigne, Verratti, etc
     
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  10. johnny6

    johnny6 Member+

    AC Milan
    Italy
    Jun 29, 2011
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    You're being a little harsh, 2016 was slim pickings as far as squad was concerned due to tons of injuries. Giac isn't a superstar by any means BUT as i've been saying for years, he's a true work horse and will always give you 110%. Beating Belgium 2-0 wasn't a fluke, Sweden was defending for their lives as usual, Ireland? Meaningless game with a B team. We dominated Spain and took Germany to PK's which started to dominate during extra time.

    Dude i get it, we're all frustrated but there's a lot of issues that need to be resolved before things start to improve. A long term solid coach should be priority #1, it's not a talent issue it's an organization issue which trickles down all the way to clubs like Udinese which field maybe two Italian players on a good day.
     
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  11. The Potter

    The Potter Member+

    Aug 26, 2004
    England
    Club:
    Stoke City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Come on man. England may not be great but Italy is going through a real fallow period.
     
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  12. gumbacicc

    gumbacicc Member+

    Dec 7, 2004
    USA
    A bit of revisionist history? We were lucky to get to the penalties. Germany bossed the pitch that day and there was no doubt who was second-best. The guys you want to build around are not world class players, despite that we can agree they are among the best we have at the moment. Until we get to a point where we can field six or seven world class players like we did in 2006 again, expect more of the same, even with a quality manager.
     
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  13. gumbacicc

    gumbacicc Member+

    Dec 7, 2004
    USA
    LOL at everyone scapegoating the "senators" as if they're the issue with this side. The only reason these guys are still around is because the present generation of "talent" is dog shit. There is no doubt that most of the veterans on the side would have been cast aside had we more talent. It's just not there. Those of you that think that we are going to become world beaters picking players who feature for mediocre Italian sides like Lazio and even Milan (at this stage) are delusional. Take a look at the top sides, Brazil, Germany, Spain, etc. They all have players who play key roles for elite sides. The only ones we can say this about of our players are the ones that play for Juve and Verratti. That's it.
     
  14. UdineseFan98

    UdineseFan98 Member

    Mar 12, 2017
    St. Catherines, ON
    Club:
    Udinese Calcio
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    A combined starting 11 in a 4-3-3

    Insigne-Kane-Berna

    Verratti-Alli-Jorghino

    De Sciglio-Romangoli-Bonucci-Florenzi (maybe Walker)

    Donnarumma


    Get of sterling's **** he has had 1 good season in a guardiola system that attacks till the death. Rashford? I rate him, but Berna has a lot more technical quality, and I am certain that his left leg is a gift from god. Juve doesn't just spend 45 million on anyone. Dier is versatile, but mediocre. And you should learn about Lorenzo Pellegrini, the guy is class. TBH Lorenzo Pellegrini might be my favorite player in the world right now, he is a joy to watch on his day.


    Edit- Danny Rose doesn't even get into the team at Spurs. Ben frickin Davies is their starter
     
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  15. Rac93

    Rac93 Member

    Bayern Munich
    Germany
    Sep 29, 2017
    I just don`t think your players are that good. dont forget your A-team just lost 2-0 to a Messi-less Argentina who would not have made the WC either.

    Rashford is much better then Bernatschi and I still think Sterling has the higher upside over Insigne. Speed kills imo.

    Your CB are quality but the fullbacks are meh. Ive seen enough of De Sciglio to know hes not a top player.
     
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  16. forza_azzurri

    forza_azzurri Member

    May 31, 2005
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    A good coach and a system where everyone is on board can beat anybody.
    IE , Poland, Iceland, Costa Rica etc.

    This BS of Italian football not producing good players is just an excuse.
    We are still in the top 10 of producing very good players. Our youth system is proof of that.
     
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  17. gumbacicc

    gumbacicc Member+

    Dec 7, 2004
    USA
    I see this claim made all the time. What evidence is there of that? After 2006, we crashed out of the group stages in the World Cup twice and didn't qualify for it this year. Even our youth sides haven't won tourneys in years. Outside Juventus there isn't a club in Italy that one can argue is elite--and even Juve are heavily reliant on foreign talent these days. I see so many names touted as the next great thing, all of whom play for mediocre Italian sides and none of whom feature for Champions League sides. So tell me where is this evidence that we are producing great talent?
     
  18. Italy-Azzurri-Fan

    Nov 15, 2014
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Excuse me Argentina did make the world cup. And also even without Messi, Argentina has enough quality to be really competitive. An attack force of Dybala, Aguero, Higuain, and Di Maria is extreme quality. Even without Messi, I would say Argentina is the second best conmebol team in terms of talent and quality after Brazil.
     
  19. calabrese8

    calabrese8 Member+

    Feb 9, 2008
    Vancouver
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    LOL.. i dont even know where to start with this one. This guy must not watch soccer and just play Fifa 18 and think this is true.

    Speed might kill in the Premier League where its bush league defending... look at Salah... completely average Serie A player...goes to the English Rugby League and he is tearing it up
     
  20. UdineseFan98

    UdineseFan98 Member

    Mar 12, 2017
    St. Catherines, ON
    Club:
    Udinese Calcio
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    The A-team with a new coach, new system, and a midfield that had never played together. Italy is not like argentina, the nature of the way we play the game is tactically and structurally sound, not necessarily fluid. Fluidity is the nature of the way argentina plays, hence why they can slap together a bunch of technically gifted players and win.

    We can call Berna-Rashford a push in terms of quality, but Insigne is most definitely a better player than Sterling. Napoli's attack runs through his left wing
     
  21. UdineseFan98

    UdineseFan98 Member

    Mar 12, 2017
    St. Catherines, ON
    Club:
    Udinese Calcio
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Or just watches the EPL where technical quality outside of Arsenal and City is not a thing
     
  22. UdineseFan98

    UdineseFan98 Member

    Mar 12, 2017
    St. Catherines, ON
    Club:
    Udinese Calcio
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Napoli is Elite. They are a top 6 team in europe imo behind City, Barca, Real, Juve, and Bayern. They are one of the only teams that have pushed City this season
     
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  23. Insigne4BalonD'or

    SSC Napoli
    Italy
    Apr 6, 2017
    In Hiding with Sal's mom
    Lol at the guy who thinks Sterling is better than Insigne. He probably thinks Walcott is amazing too
     
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  24. calabrese8

    calabrese8 Member+

    Feb 9, 2008
    Vancouver
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    as i posted in another thread i believe the uefa forums... England are becoming the best in the world in soccer at something..... DIVING!

    they were always the first ones to say how tough their players are and how they play with integrity...but this new generation of english players are arguably the worst at simulation/diving.
     
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  25. Stamos

    Stamos Member

    Apr 6, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    We were very lucky to get to penalties but we still got there - with our entire first-choice midfield unable to play. I don't deal with hypotheticals because if we're going that route, then it's easy to say we'd have defeated Germany with Verratti, Marchisio et al playing.
    I never said those guys are world-class. But to say Italy isnt producing talent is ignorant. Just look at our youth teams at every level and you'll see there is an abundance of talent- the issue is with the clubs but we've seen a tiny bit of progress on that end. Hopefully that'll improve in the next few years .
     

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