Injured Player Mechanics

Discussion in 'Referee' started by flyfishhi, Jan 4, 2018.

  1. flyfishhi

    flyfishhi Member

    Jul 29, 2008
    Honolulu
    Since we've had such a great time discussing the mechanics of flipping a coin (sigh), I thought I'd ask a question of the list as to how they deal with an injured player, specificially one that needs trainer / coach assistance.

    As a prelude to this, had a game recently where two players went up to head the ball and banged heads. One player came down, stopped play and called for the trainer. One of my ARs ran from his line to the point of injury (it was in front of the goal and I was maybe 5 yards from it) and proceeded to instruct the player on how to deal with the injury, despite my advice to remove himself and wait for the trained medical staff to deal with it.

    My position for quite a while is to get the trainer on the field and move away before they get there, since half the time the trainer is a coach and a certain percentage of those times the coach has no intention of dealing with the injury but is looking to "discuss" the incident. If I'm away from the player, it becomes obvious what the coach is doing and no one should be shocked if the coach then goes to the parking lot, doesn't pass go and doesn't collect $200. (I've only had to do that once).

    So am I right or is my nonmedically trained AR correct? (Ok, fine, I'm complaining).

    Now back to how to conduct a coin flip.
     
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  2. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    Not much to talk about. You're right. Your AR was wrong.

    See you in a few pages . . .
     
  3. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You were 100% correct and your AR should have stayed on their touchline unless there was some sign of mass confrontation.
     
  4. fairplayforlife

    fairplayforlife Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We are not medical professionals out on the field. If you want to put that hat on because you are in your day job then do so. But if the injury is bad enough that you are having to call on professional medical opinion that doesn’t have enough time to arrive by ambulance then the game probably needs abandoned anyway.
     
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  5. ptref

    ptref Member

    Manchester United
    United States
    Aug 5, 2015
    Bowling Green, KY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I concur doctor. ;);)
     
  6. Law5

    Law5 Member+

    Mar 24, 2005
    Beaverton OR
    I agree with fairplayforlife. As an assessor, handling injuries is a key indicator of referee performance, in my opinion. Call on the coach/trainer and then go talk to AR2. I don't want to see the referee standing over the player(s) who are down. Nothing good will come from that. The only exception I would make is for a situation in which teammates of the injured player want to express their opinion of the player whose contact caused the injury. If you are going to card the injury causing player, this is an excellent opportunity pull him away from the scene to give him your opinion of what he did and display the card. Maybe even if you aren't going to card him, you can use body language that says he'd better not do anything like that again, even if that isn't what you are actually saying. ;)

    If the coach comes past the injured player to yell at you, over there with AR2, you've got lots of opportunity to loudly announce, before he gets to you, "Coach, please take care of your injured player."
     
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  7. Pittsburgh Ref

    Pittsburgh Ref Member+

    Oct 7, 2014
    da 'Burgh
    Did the player summon the trainer or did you?
     
  8. fairplayforlife

    fairplayforlife Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Doctor is in your neck of the woods. The Doctor of Love that is. Lol.
     
  9. frankieboylampard

    Mar 7, 2016
    USA
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Dr. Feelgood?
     
  10. Gary V

    Gary V Member+

    Feb 4, 2003
    SE Mich.
    Mechanics:

    A player is beaten to the ball because he trips over a divot and falls. The opponent takes off downfield.
    Player gets up and takes a few uncertain steps.
    Coach yells, "If you're hurt, go down."
    Player dramatically crumples.
    Parents start yelling, "Player down! Player down!"
    All other players stop moving.

    Or did you mean the ref mechanics when a player is injured?
     
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  11. fairplayforlife

    fairplayforlife Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nah, inside joke, we ref with a guy that has a Doctorate and has the last name of Love.
     
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  12. fairplayforlife

    fairplayforlife Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As a follow up, some of you may know him or his daughter. Probably her.
     
  13. ArgylleRef

    ArgylleRef Member

    Jan 23, 2004
    Lansing, KS
    Mandy? Are you from Kentucky?
     
  14. fairplayforlife

    fairplayforlife Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yep
     
  15. ArgylleRef

    ArgylleRef Member

    Jan 23, 2004
    Lansing, KS
    They are some of the nicest people alive.
     
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  16. ptref

    ptref Member

    Manchester United
    United States
    Aug 5, 2015
    Bowling Green, KY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You forgot to mention the best part. His name is Dr. Love and he teaches French.
     
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  17. fairplayforlife

    fairplayforlife Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Indeed they are. ptref is a good guy too. Always brings cookies to regions.
     
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  18. ptref

    ptref Member

    Manchester United
    United States
    Aug 5, 2015
    Bowling Green, KY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thanks. Honestly, you can thank my wife for that. And, those cookies aren't for just anybody. Only a select few get to enjoy them.
     
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  19. juneau-AK

    juneau-AK Member

    Apr 15, 2017
    This thread, apart from the cookies and nice guy back-slapping, read more appropriate as other related to head injury (https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/head-injuries.2008437) appeared to be dormant.

    Someone in this video needs to be seriously lacking in proper training, or empathy, or ... (http://bit.ly/2GDEP0e)



    Please no one ever have callous attitude as this referee. These were the questions posed by the poster --
    Should this goal be allowed? Did it take too long to restart the game? What was the referee doing all this time? How concerned was the coach about his injured player?

    What should the referee have done should be a more pertinent inquiry.
     
  20. Spencedawgmillionaire

    Mar 2, 2017
    Belleville, ILLLLLLLLINOIZE
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    I'm probably too quick to the whistle when it comes to kids getting hit in the head, concussions scare the heck out of me. I try really hard to see how the kid reacts, and if they make any motion to grabbing their head, bending at the waist, anything that shows that they were hurt in any way by the impact, I'm stopping play. A kiddo rubbing the spot then going right into it won't get a whistle, but I watch them for a little bit to look for signs.

    In the video above, I'd have stopped play the second she crumpled up and called coach on. I think the ref's body language is really bad, appears disengaged, but looking at a video is hard to say. Some guys are just way, way, way too laid back.

    Can this be used as a ploy to stop a scoring opportunity? Sure, but I'm not putting kids into further harm's way because of the possible actions of a few crappy coaches/players.

    Only had one coach, maybe two get upset with me about it so far. one was a U10 match, kid got hammered in the back of his head, I though his eyeballs would come popping out. Ball fell to his fellow attacker at the top of the PA, but the kid dropped like a sack of hammers. Naturally, coach wanted advantage to play out, cuz, you know, U10 world cup final, down 7-4 with ten minutes left...
     
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  21. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No, you're not.
     

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