Hello Cleveland

Discussion in 'Cleveland' started by C. B., Jan 6, 2014.

  1. SimplyThis

    SimplyThis Member

    May 2, 2006
    AFCCLE Is done for 2018.
     
  2. Tobias C

    Tobias C Member+

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Mar 6, 2014
    Toledo, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Done in NPSL. As far as we've heard they should still be playing somewhere in 2018.
     
  3. SimplyThis

    SimplyThis Member

    May 2, 2006
    What options do they have? Is the PDL a league above the NPSL?

    Is the AFCCLE ownership the same group that is trying to get a USL team
    here?
     
  4. Tobias C

    Tobias C Member+

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Mar 6, 2014
    Toledo, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think NPSL and PDL are roughly equivalent depending on who you ask. If finances are the issue...UPSL might be a like taking half a step down.

    Different ownership.
     
  5. VBCity72

    VBCity72 Member+

    Aug 17, 2014
    Sunny San Diego
    Club:
    Plymouth Argyle FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I do remember reading somewhere that the cost of entry and general operations in the PDL is higher than NPSL. If they left for not having enough money I doubt they take the half step up and end up in UPSL instead.
     
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  6. oneeyedfool

    oneeyedfool Member+

    Nov 17, 2012
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They and a number of other NPSL teams were offered free entry to PDL last year. Maybe that offer is still on the table?

    Either way there is no affiliation at this time between AFC Cleveland and the USL group so the move to PDL wouldn’t directly be about that as in Nashville, Birmingham and likely Memphis where the NPSL teams were incorporated into the USL group and then moved to PDL.
     
  7. Tobias C

    Tobias C Member+

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Mar 6, 2014
    Toledo, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Any news lately?
     
  8. CCSUltra

    CCSUltra Member+

    Nov 18, 2008
    Cleveland
    Club:
    Hertha BSC Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nope.

    Looking like no pro/semipro men’s soccer in CLE this summer.
     
  9. MLSinCleveland

    MLSinCleveland Member+

    Oct 12, 2006
    Cleveland, Ohio
    Club:
    Cleveland C. S.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I believe that we are the biggest market without a (non-school-based) soccer team of any kind.
     
  10. ThePonchat

    ThePonchat Member+

    #ProRelForUSA
    United States
    Jan 10, 2013
    I've Been Everywhere Man
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Or...amateur, which is what AFC Cleveland always was.
     
  11. Tobias C

    Tobias C Member+

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Mar 6, 2014
    Toledo, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Is AFC Cleveland like on hiatus or something? They haven't announced what league they were going to play in this year, and they haven't put out any kind of statement about their future, positive or negative.
     
  12. ThePonchat

    ThePonchat Member+

    #ProRelForUSA
    United States
    Jan 10, 2013
    I've Been Everywhere Man
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    NPSL came out and said AFC Cleveland is no longer in the league. Tons of rumors why, probably legitimate ones that I heard.

    Other rumors that they are exploring other leagues. They've never really shown much "care" in communicating what's happening with the club during the offseason months in their existence. Even during the NPSL announcement, AFC Cleveland stayed mum. That shows enough of the leadership.
     
  13. oneeyedfool

    oneeyedfool Member+

    Nov 17, 2012
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Any strong USASA teams in the area that could join NPSL now that the territory is open? It’s only like $20k including league dues
     
  14. hipityhop

    hipityhop Member

    New Mexico United
    United States
    Jan 10, 1999
    Mission TX
    Club:
    SønderjyskE
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why sooo much constant talk about Cleveland? It's not like there's a possibility of team being placed here. Heck it would be like me wanting a Wichita folder for expansion, and make comments every week about the non existent progress of a team being placed in Wichita for USL. So I guess I will demand a folder for Wichita and other Possible Cities..
     
  15. Tobias C

    Tobias C Member+

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Mar 6, 2014
    Toledo, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why is there no possibility? I think there's an extremely high possibility. Cleveland already has history in the USL and a team coming on board at the present height of soccer hype would easily be successful with the right ownership. There's 2 million people in Cleveland, and over 4 million just in NE Ohio with no level of professional soccer and possibly not even AFC Cleveland. There's already a rumored ownership group.
     
  16. hipityhop

    hipityhop Member

    New Mexico United
    United States
    Jan 10, 1999
    Mission TX
    Club:
    SønderjyskE
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see Cleveland get a USL team. But you need an ownership group first!
     
  17. Salacious Bum

    Salacious Bum Member

    Jun 5, 2010
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    You go right on ahead and do that then. Don’t feel the need to stop back here.
     
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  18. ThePonchat

    ThePonchat Member+

    #ProRelForUSA
    United States
    Jan 10, 2013
    I've Been Everywhere Man
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, FC Wichita has made it public they would like to go USL (or, another pro league). So, I guess you could have that folder.

    I know, for a fact, that there is interest in Cleveland. March 2017 I was contacted about potential partnerships for a USL team there. In the end, I blame Don Garber...he started it when he announced that MLS would be in Cleveland back in 2004.
     
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  19. oneeyedfool

    oneeyedfool Member+

    Nov 17, 2012
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I asked this before the person who hasn’t been following the Cleveland USL stuff derailed the thread ... does anyone know the answer here? Any local clubs that could form the basis of a new NPSL team?
     
  20. ThePonchat

    ThePonchat Member+

    #ProRelForUSA
    United States
    Jan 10, 2013
    I've Been Everywhere Man
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The previous NPSL team couldn't garner support or pay bills. What's to say another club would try? It's been a tough market for soccer at a higher level.
     
  21. C-Bus20

    C-Bus20 Member

    Mar 1, 2009
    Everywhere
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well for starters you simply can not play at a HS football field. You cant. The soccer fans in Cleveland and a lot of places will not take it seriously. I dont care about AFC Cleveland most others did not. It was exactly what it was and that is an amateur team with very good local players, playing outside the city at a high school.

    When i lived in Cle, City Stars games did much better at Cleveland State until they moved to another HS stadium and then folded. It has to be done right and my advice is call up FC Cincinnati and figure out what they did and do exactly that. Dont forget Cinci had other teams before FC was around. The Kings played in the same league as the City Stars and were largely irrelevant.
     
  22. ThePonchat

    ThePonchat Member+

    #ProRelForUSA
    United States
    Jan 10, 2013
    I've Been Everywhere Man
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Look, I get that a HS football field isn't ideal. But, if that's what keeps "support" away, that's petty. I don't like it. But, I'd much rather have soccer than no soccer. If a few extra lines keeps "fans" away, how true or good of fans are they anyway?

    I went to numerous Cleveland City Star games at Krenzler. There wasn't great support there either, at least at the games I went to. Yes, the championship game was a nice crowd.

    I'm extremely critical of FCC and their fans too. I've been to 4 home games so far. Everyone talks of the atmosphere and how it's "exploded" in Cincinnati. You hit the nail on the head, there was no support a mere 5 years ago for the Kings...and they played on a soccer specific turf field. Know what worked for them? Carl Lindner III. When his name was attributed to it, immediate support because he's local and has done so much. Playing at UC and having cheapest tickets in USL helps too (seriously, $50 season tickets for UC students). They found out a way to tap into the casual fan, which is mainly what is at UC. So casual they have to put a "Laws of the Game for Dummies" insert in the game program (no lie). Good for FCC. They've captured an audience that the Bengals and Reds fail (expensive tickets, extremely long games, and no hipster culture). Hard to capture that audience. There's no script for it.
     
  23. CCSUltra

    CCSUltra Member+

    Nov 18, 2008
    Cleveland
    Club:
    Hertha BSC Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Paid attendance for the City Stars was HIGHER at Beford than at Krenzler.

    Attendance had zero to do with why we folded. 1,000 more people a game wasn’t going to offset the massive travel costs.
     
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  24. MLSinCleveland

    MLSinCleveland Member+

    Oct 12, 2006
    Cleveland, Ohio
    Club:
    Cleveland C. S.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If football lines are a deal breaker, an amateur team won't work here unless they can rent Krenzler or Coughlin (St. Ed's soccer field) because the only way we are getting an SSS is a USL team.
     
  25. C-Bus20

    C-Bus20 Member

    Mar 1, 2009
    Everywhere
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No where did i say it was attendance is the reason they folded. There are soccer fans in Northeast Ohio and playing in a HS football stadium does not draw them and the supporters group with 10 people singing in fake accents only made the group i know look at the operation like the WWE. You know the athletes are real but largely it was unauthentic and fake. You can get mad and dispute all you want but its the truth.

    Like i said.....I dont have all the answers but find out what ever it is FCC did and replicate it. FCC also had the team announced a year if not more before they played their first game giving time to build excitement.
     

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