How will Toronto FC do against Liga MX clubs in CCL?

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  1. MLS Detroit

    MLS Detroit Member

    Jan 20, 2001
    Melvindale, MI, USA
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Having completed the greatest season in MLS history, the next hurdle for Toronto FC is the Concacaf Champions League. With the new format, they may not face a Liga MX club until the semifinals in April which would give them six weeks of league competition and potentially four games in the CCL to find their form and then face the likes of Tigres, America, Chivas, or Tijuana. I view them as a slight underdog against Tigres but ever-so-slight favorites against America, Chivas, or Tijuana. Making a respectable run but losing in the semifinals or final will garner praise but winning the whole tournament will be the greatest accomplishment in MLS history. Can they do it?
     
  2. MuchoTakeItEasy

    MuchoTakeItEasy Member+

    LAFC
    United States
    May 16, 2015
    Land of the Free
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The changes to the format may make it easier, but it's hard to say at this point. It'll be a challenge if they lose both Beitashour and Moor to free agency, seems possible though. Will depend on how they use TAM and get new players acquainted to the system.
     
  3. hot potato

    hot potato Member+

    Feb 21, 2014
    Club:
    Vancouver Whitecaps
    playing in CONCACAF in mid-season would be a possibility of upsets- playing in pre-season (february) will be difficult for TFC
     
  4. EvilTree

    EvilTree Member+

    Canadian S.C
    Canada
    Nov 20, 2007
    Frozen Swampland, Soviet Canuckistan
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    If an MLS team is to win CCL, this version of TFC team is it.

    My reasons why
    -Best single season MLS team ever. Treble and all that
    -TFC first team should be good enough to match up against most Liga MX teams.
    -TFC actually has decent depth
    -TFC expects to re-sign most of key players. Moor is expected to re-sign soon. Waiting on Beitashour, but Hasler turns out to be good back up.
    -TFC has been very shrewd on signings. Expect TFC to add one or 2 TAM level signings over the winter, adding more quality.
    -TFC actually gives a damn about CCL, unlike a lot of past MLS teams (IE 2011-2012 LAG and Bruce Arena) and emphasis CCL. TFC will be holding at least some part of their preseason in Mexico and has friendlies lined up already.
    -TFC fans have been pretty good showing up for CCL, esp in knockout stages. And those were the terrible TFC teams.
    -And the probability of snowball games in Toronto is high. TFC is playing all their games at BMO Field for CCL. It's going to be cold for Mexicans and other Central American teams.
     
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  5. MLS Detroit

    MLS Detroit Member

    Jan 20, 2001
    Melvindale, MI, USA
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    -And the probability of snowball games in Toronto is high. TFC is playing all their games at BMO Field for CCL. It's going to be cold for Mexicans and other Central American teams.[/QUOTE]

    Would there be a possibility of playing home legs in February and March at Rogers Centre? I remember the big game against the LA Galaxy many years ago which was either in February or March but they opted to play there instead of BMO although the idea of the famous February 2001 World Cup Qualifier between the USA and Mexico may inspire TFC brass to "freeze" CCL opponents in the home leg.
     
  6. EvilTree

    EvilTree Member+

    Canadian S.C
    Canada
    Nov 20, 2007
    Frozen Swampland, Soviet Canuckistan
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Would there be a possibility of playing home legs in February and March at Rogers Centre? I remember the big game against the LA Galaxy many years ago which was either in February or March but they opted to play there instead of BMO although the idea of the famous February 2001 World Cup Qualifier between the USA and Mexico may inspire TFC brass to "freeze" CCL opponents in the home leg.[/QUOTE]
    No. The Blue Jays changed the configuration of Rogers Centre for baseball use only.

    And Bill Manning said BMO Field for CCL.
     
  7. Bluecat82

    Bluecat82 Member+

    Feb 24, 1999
    Minneapolis, MN
    Club:
    Minnesota United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    About 78% as well as US teams, given the current exchange rate... :)
     
  8. Coyote89

    Coyote89 Member

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 18, 2017
    Well, this year's TFC team is probably the best chance MLS has had yet, so hope they can pull it off. Seattle might fare reasonably well also. Unfortunately, the Red Bulls could be about to lose Kljestan to LAFC, so that doesn't help their chances.

    Incidentally, since the draw doesn't take place until after the MLS Cup, why don't they use the 2017 results for the 2018 tourney? From what I understand, the participants were determined based on 2016 results and therefore include 2 MLS teams that didn't even make the playoffs this year (Colorado and Dallas). TFC and Seattle are probably the best hopes for MLS anyway and they are both in, but NYCFC would have a better shot than Colorado or Dallas as this year's Supporter's Shield runner-up.
     
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  9. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The US participants were determined for the 2017-18 CCL before the format change eliminated the Fall 2017 portion of the CCL schedule. The decision was made not to change the qualified teams since they all contested the 2016 season with stated criteria of what they needed to do to qualify.
     
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  10. cloak

    cloak Member

    Aug 25, 2010
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Agreed, I think TFC can win it. It is their new priority.
     
  11. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No. They'll draw the Rapids in the first round and lose in a home-and-home in Feb. that should have been played in hockey instead of soccer. :D
     
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  12. Coyote89

    Coyote89 Member

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 18, 2017
    Got it, thanks for the explanation.
     
  13. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Perhaps a silly question, but since TFC won the MLS Cup, who does the other 2017 US berth fall to for the 2019 CCL? Does it fall to Seattle because they were the other MLS Cup participant, or NYCFC since they had the best regular season record for a US team?
     
  14. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #14 ceezmad, Dec 15, 2017
    Last edited: Dec 15, 2017
    I believe it is NYCFC, but not 100% sure.

    from wiki.

    the source.

    https://www.si.com/planet-futbol/2017/04/06/concacaf-champions-league-ccl-qualifying-format-changes

    https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2017...hampions-league-qualifiers-are-determined-mls


    BTW, I guess we always knew, but Canada appears to make it official in their tournament, no USL or NASL (well none now) can make the CCL.


    Also

    https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/2018-cl-2019-ccl-qualifiers-transition-r.2066418/#post-36150022
     
  15. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    That slot will go to the team with the best combined regular season record from 2017 and 2018.

    https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2017...hampions-league-qualifiers-are-determined-mls

    New York City FC is in the lead after 2017 but we'll have to wait and see how 2018 goes.

    If this happens again in 2018 then presumably it would be the top two (or more) teams in the combined table.
     
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  16. Shakes McQueen

    Apr 29, 2009
    Ontario, Canada
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    I think TFC have a decent chance to win the CCL, for one big reason: They are aiming to do it. I suspect it's their top goal for 2018, and it'll be the big feather in the cap for all of the returning guys from this season.

    The only major potential roster loss is Beitashour, as I fully expect Moor to re-up. I hope they can keep both at a reasonable price.

    Lots of MLS teams struggle with really dedicating themselves to the CCL tourney, because it's SUCH an uphill climb, and the focus is understandably on the league. But I suspect winning the CCL is the new obsession for this TFC roster now.
     
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  17. FlipsLikeAPancake

    Jul 6, 2010
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If Toronto FC fortifies their roster with some good TAM signings, I think their roster would have a puncher's chance against anyway. Tigres would be the favorite still.

    But I am concerned about the schedule. I hope the MLS sides that advance in the first round draw other MLS sides in the quarterfinals. I'm not sure that our teams will be ready by March 6 to take on Liga MX teams that are in midseason form. But by the semifinals in April, we should be as ready as we're gonna get.
     
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  18. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Are they on the same side as Tigres?

    I can't see anyone beating this UANL team, they are fvcking loaded.

    Then again, they did lose a final to Chivas about 8 months ago, so they can have bad days.
     
  19. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Toronto and Tigres would play in the Quarterfinals with the second leg in Mexico.
     
  20. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    TFC is the strongest team MLS sent to CCL. Beating Tigres is a tough ask although Montreal did defeat Pachuca.

    Perhaps Semi-finals but they aren't winning the whole thing. Liga MX are way too deep in comparison to MLS teams
     
  21. Unak78

    Unak78 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 17, 2007
    PSG & Enyimba FC
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Nigeria
    They'll have a shot if they can get a strong home result. I would be interested in seeing if TFC can add another strong TAM signing on the level of Vasquez before February.
     
  22. Unak78

    Unak78 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 17, 2007
    PSG & Enyimba FC
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Nigeria
    I would have preferred for TFC to open with one of the strong Costa Rican contingent as a warm-up for the Mexican sides. Can Colorado be dangerous? Perhaps, but they'll offer little by way of a stylistic warm-up for what playing against and in Mexico will look like.
     

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