I could see Pirlo as some type of assistant coach teaching youngsters on passing and skills but I don't think he would care about doing it in the immediate future as he just retired.. Anyway, they have a year to name all these appointments because it won't matter now or for the friendlies....
Well it starts with implementing some of his ideas that were given all about 15 minutes of time from the old outdated regime.
Yeah ok but those same ideas, theories , books lectures etc don't mean much when you can’t find a 25-30 year old forward who won't be able to score one lousy goal in two games or at least learn from and apply those same ideas on the field on the international level. Maybe if the clubs used these ideas on a weekly basis and then they can utilize those skills on the national team I could see it working but not when you bring a bunch of guys together 5 times a year for an all star game.
Do you even know what his proposal was? A top/down, bottom/up change in the whole system to help nurture the kids that are falling through the holes in the broken system.
The problem was not that we did not have a goal scorer. Nor that we could not find midfielders with some creativity. Nor was it a leaky defense or goalkeeper. It was that the entire team was dysfunctional and that lied with Ventura, his selections and tactics. If Belotti hits that header early in the first match, this thread is probably a lot shorter. But the problem with the team has been that it needed special moments to succeed and that was not a problem only with Ventura. Prandelli kept changing players and tactics. Conte relied on grinta. And who the hell knows what Ventura wanted. This team should have qualified and should have been a protagonist in Russia. It is not because Ventura was a fool.
Absolutely. However, the ultimate responsibility rests with Tavecchio for appointing him and then renewing the contract in August which effectively prevented Ventura being sacked until after the qualification had been decided. Without the renewal he could have been replaced after September or October's games. I find it very strange why no one has asked what changed for Tavecchio between August (renewed his contract and said he had full confidence in him) and November when he sacked him)? Ventura's coaching ability did not change in three months. The renewal in August effectively doomed us to non-qualification. Without it, we would almost certainly be in Russia now as a competent coach - even for the short term - would have qualified us, like happened with Croatia.
I get all these points but they still need to be implement these things on the youth and club level and then upwards. I still don't see though how these ideas and theories will magically qualify or help Italy progress and win a Euro or WC. As long as club presidents don't implement these ideas , we won't see anything change.
It was completely upside down. 4-2-4 vs Spain, 3-5-2 vs Sweden. Wrong players playing in wrong positions. If that's not sabotage, I don't know what is! That, and there was that one that Candreva stopped running at when the little French guy found him from across the pitch, and another Candreva moment where he kicked a field goal into the nose bleed sections of the stand where, with just a little bit of poise, he could have waited a split second the the Swede going into the slide tackle, put it on his left, and have a wide open net to shoot at. No one with poise. Even a 38 year old Pirlo could have helped there. Yikes!
OMG Falvo, stop. That was what Baggio's 900 page proposal detailed... Then you didn't get the message at all. HE HAD A PLAN that detailed ALL OF THAT. Slow down and read.
You need to distinguish the two things which, however, run alongside each other. Increasing the opportunity for young Italian players to play in Serie A (and in CL and EL too) should be the main focus of attention for the medium-to-long term, but it has nothing to do with not qualifying for the WC which is simply a series of management failings by Tavecchio since his election in 2014.
Yeah so he wrote a book and no one cared and it was all for not. I still don’t believe on all this stuff at least not on a national team level. Unless you have a crystal ball or a magic wand you have no proof all these ideas and theories will work or not. You need strong players playing on good club teams on a weekly basis. That is the way it’s been for 80 years so why not go with what works? All this other stuff is just speculation.
Edit: "Yeah so he wrote a book!" < Right there proves you haven't the faintest idea. It wasn't a book, it was a detailed proposal for changes from youth the NT level that modeled the one the Germans went through but with an Italian flavor. Wake up and stop pretending you understand. It wasn't all for naught because it still exists. And Dear God, please...what sort of changes do you want? His plan wasn't a theory. It was infrastructure changes, and some of the ideas you just mentioned. You obviously don't even know it existed. Oh Gesu Falvo. THAT IS WHAT HE WAS ADVOCATING. STOP AND READ....but this time SLOW DOWN!
Yeah well you won't get anything if you have 2 Italians playing for Roma and 1 or 2 playing for Napoli. Ban 1/2 the foreigners and I guarantee you Italy will be tops again. 1968 Euro champs 1970 Runner Up WC 1978 4th place in WC 1980 3rd place Euro 1982 WC champs 1988 3rd place Euro 1990 3rd place WC 1994 Runner up WC 1998 5th place WC 2000 Euro runner up 2006 WC champs 2008 Euro 8th place 2012 Runner up Euro
There will never be a foreigner ban in Italy again, but they can make rules like the Germans did from primavera upwards that will require the clubs to use some of what they make. It's a start. It has started, and it will take a few years to show.
Pauly, how long has it been since you were in Italy? You honestly think or believe Italians will copy Germans in anything? Quando mai? Again, I'm not saying a complete foreigner ban but a limit. Don't see why it's such a big deal and it worked forever so I don't see why it can't work again.
When I lived there? Well over 10 years. I'm back regularly. I have some business interests in Milan, and I have cousins who are involved in sports marketing. I get to see some things that others don't. Nothing too deep but I'll have a chat with Tavecchio next time I'm there...maybe without words I don't want us to copy them. I want us to put some rules in place, like they did, and do it our way. Even at the worst point in our history our broken down team could match theirs. We beat them at the U21 with Bernardeschi/Berardi terrorizing them. I know "it was {supposedly} their B team" but all that said, would Berna be on a bench in Germany right now? Probably not. Times have changed. Back when there was a complete foreigner ban, every other country was using 1-3 of them per team and the rest were of that countries origin. There is some truth that we cannot compete if we had 9 Italians per team. The depth isn't there. Not here, not in Spain, not in Germany. The rules the Germans implemented gave "incentive" to use what they made. It's not as complicated as many make out. Baggio's plan included such rules. Some have been put in play by Il Vecchio already, actually.