World Cup Qualifiers: Italy vs Sweden (play-off)

Discussion in 'Italy: National Teams' started by forza_azzurri, Oct 17, 2017.

  1. Brilliant Dutch

    Brilliant Dutch Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Oct 14, 2013
    Amsterdam, Holland
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    What was he doing in Vancouver??
     
  2. Hidegkuti78

    Hidegkuti78 Member

    Sep 2, 2015
    Club:
    ACF Fiorentina
    He lives there.
    Not sure why, but I guess I would indeed consider Vancouver if I had all the choices in the world, like he does.
     
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  3. Deleted User x

    Deleted User x Member+

    Mar 21, 2006
    De Laurentiis blasted Ventura and Tavecchio after their failure to qualify. But how many Italians are getting CL and other big game experience with Napoli? Any owner who has only 1 Italian in their starting 11 has no right to throw stones.
     
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  4. Calcio Pauly

    Calcio Pauly Member+

    Jun 17, 2012
    Club:
    AC Milan
    They've been reading this thread :) Buffon should also move immediately into a position at the FIGC upon retiring this year. The organization needs to get some respect back and Gigi can bring it.
     
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  5. Falc

    Falc Member+

    Jul 29, 2006
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    So players are suddenly qualified to act as administrators? The worse thing is to have a former player, especially a high profile one as president second guessing every move his coach makes. Might as well put Berlusconi in the position.
     
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  6. Italy-Azzurri-Fan

    Nov 15, 2014
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Napoli has two Italians in their starting XI: Jorginho and Insigne
     
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  7. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    #1582 falvo, Nov 16, 2017
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    I kind of agree. I don't know how a great former player will suddenly be able to place Italy or anyone else into a second round of a WC and beyond. Platini seemed to be the figurehead at France 1998 but I mean that team also had great players. He certainly didn't do anything to put France into the final. Gigi Riva was a longtime spokesman for the Italian national team but I don't think he did much either other than consoling Roby Baggio in 1994.


    Funny thing. I see Pavel Nedved, Javier Zanetti and Francesco Totti sitting in the stands in their new suites looking important and wonder exactly what it is they do? Do they really bring anything to make the club better? Somehow, I don't see how they can. The only one that I can see who brought a profitable player to the clubs was Leonardo Araújo who discovered and brought over Kaka at Milan and I believe he found Pato as well. They were both bought for a "cheaper" amount , utilized the player's services and sold for a profit. Other players did well at other lesser clubs but Leo is the only one I can name in recent memory who actually brought something to a top club.
     
  8. ChrisSSBB

    ChrisSSBB Member+

    Jun 22, 2005
    DE
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    His wife is from North Vancouver. They live in West Vancouver.
     
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  9. Falc

    Falc Member+

    Jul 29, 2006
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    But these former players are doing so at the ground level. They are used for player evaluation, as a possible conduit between management & players and for public relations because of their ties to their clubs. Platini worked his way up, first as coach and then as the WC director. I would not mind an Albertini or Tomassi who have cut their teeth working at some levels within the FIGC than promoting a Maldini, Buffon or Pirlo because they were a popular player.
     
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  10. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Maldini is somewhat of an administrator /owner in Miami ,even if its a poorer league, He was a player from 1985 to 2009 so I'm sure he knows something about what he is doing both on and off the field. He hired his friend Nesta and obtained good results (for that league anyway).

    I don't think you can automatically teach skills or tactics to a bunch of players on a national team that comes together maybe 5 times a year with different players from entirely different clubs and backgrounds. Maybe if the team played together more often or had more tournaments and friendlies, things could improve with former players in charge but it won't happen when you bring in a different group every 3-4 months at a time. You can argue it use to work but use to no longer exists. After two first round exists and an elimination obviously, things aren't the way they use to be. I remember complaining about the eliminations after WC 2002 and 1998 but I've never seen anything like the last 7 years. Ironically and traditionally, Italy always did good in the WC and poorly in the Euros and now it seems to have reversed.
     
  11. TheGrimSweeper

    Jul 16, 2006
    Toronto,Canada
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Vancouver's a beauty, Ancelotti has good taste.

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  12. Brilliant Dutch

    Brilliant Dutch Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Oct 14, 2013
    Amsterdam, Holland
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Those Vancouver skyscrapers are nice, so long as the the San Andreas fault leaves them alone
     
  13. ChrisSSBB

    ChrisSSBB Member+

    Jun 22, 2005
    DE
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It is the Cascadia subduction zone, and it will happen there some day. He lives in a large beach side house that in that photo is at the base of the mountains in the background, about 1/4 of the way in from the left A ridiculous amount of Ferraris, Lambos and Maseratis in that area.
     
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  14. Alex101

    Alex101 Member

    Mar 15, 2017
    Then its official he will coach the Vancouver White Caps
     
  15. Brilliant Dutch

    Brilliant Dutch Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Oct 14, 2013
    Amsterdam, Holland
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Thank you for schooling me on where San Andreas fault ends, and where Cascadia fault starts.

    I think at the end of the day they are pretty much about the same, but who's counting.......LOL
     
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  16. Falc

    Falc Member+

    Jul 29, 2006
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Ancelotti’s partner/wife is from Vancouver. That is why he resides there. I wonder if he is a Canadian immigrant.
     
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  17. Deleted User x

    Deleted User x Member+

    Mar 21, 2006
    I always forget Jorginho. Fair enough then for Aurelio to criticize the FIGC.
     
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  18. 'Uaglio

    'Uaglio Member+

    Jun 8, 2004
    NYC
    Being a former great player gives you zero qualifications to run a Federation. In order to change Italian football, you need to be a visionary and a strategist...you have to be political, be organized, understand business, and have a thick skin.

    Being a great player doesn't really give you much of any of that. I'm not saying an ex-player can never be a great leader. However, we shouldn't automatically assume someone like Maldini or Buffon will know what the heck they are doing.

    We need someone at the top of the FIGC that is a) honest and not corrupt, b) has the palle and influence to take on the clubs when needed, c) has political capital to make the changes needed, and d) has the intestinal fortitude to see all of it through without giving up.

    A great CT can only do so much. We need a system behind him to give him the talent pool he needs.
     
  19. Brilliant Dutch

    Brilliant Dutch Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Oct 14, 2013
    Amsterdam, Holland
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Ancelotti is your current hope for Italia restoration just like Koeman is for Dutch restoration
     
  20. forza_azzurri

    forza_azzurri Member

    May 31, 2005
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Mancini says he is not interested in the NT job. Happy at Zenit.
     
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  21. Brilliant Dutch

    Brilliant Dutch Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Oct 14, 2013
    Amsterdam, Holland
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    He married some Canadian chick, then probably started missing all that Euro footie action, lost his head and dove to Italia again
     
  22. Brilliant Dutch

    Brilliant Dutch Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Oct 14, 2013
    Amsterdam, Holland
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    By the way, I'm still MASSIVELY hurt about either Holland and Italy not qualifying!!!

    This is very, very painful!!!!

    Whats even worse is opponents are mocking us
     
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  23. Pietro Calcio

    Pietro Calcio Member+

    Jul 28, 2007
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Let them.....Contrary to what they hope , even with the both of us " of of the way " , they are probably still no more likely to winning either another WC or their very first WC.

    I've already remembered who the trolls were , in the event that happens.

    If they haven't noticed , the disparity among national teams is at the smallest it's ever been ( no coincidence really since the formation of the EU and Bosman Ruling ) so Iceland could be raising their first WC just as easily as a traditional power winning another )....So again let them dance now and rub salt , which is truly classless imo , as the football gods tend to remember these things later on :)
     
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  24. ChrisSSBB

    ChrisSSBB Member+

    Jun 22, 2005
    DE
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Haha, they at least got him to attend a match.

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  25. ChrisSSBB

    ChrisSSBB Member+

    Jun 22, 2005
    DE
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Cascadia Subduction Zone has the potential of 30 times more force and destructive power than the San Andreas fault. Like the difference between Italy not making the world cup and USA not making the world cup.
     
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