World Cup Qualifiers: Italy vs Sweden (play-off)

Discussion in 'Italy: National Teams' started by forza_azzurri, Oct 17, 2017.

  1. phat

    phat Viking

    Feb 13, 2006
    Montreal
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    We got a bad ass here. Tell me more.
     
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  2. Desere

    Desere Red Card

    sampdoria
    Italy
    Oct 16, 2017
    Sweden beat France ffs.And they lost to them narrowly too in France after leading 1-0.

    You know nothing.
     
  3. phat

    phat Viking

    Feb 13, 2006
    Montreal
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy

    Educate us. Please do.
     
  4. Desere

    Desere Red Card

    sampdoria
    Italy
    Oct 16, 2017
    It means ******** all what he did vs Juventus. First of all, Buffon, Barzagli, Chiellini, play for guess who, Italy. Who are useless. Second, how many no namers score against Real Madrid, Barca, Man City, Bayern, PSG? Does that mean that these guys are world class. To simply provide thw argument that they scored against team A and Team B, and especially when they're doing against the likes of our own players, who are has beens, shows you have the mentality of a ********ing imbecile.
     
  5. phat

    phat Viking

    Feb 13, 2006
    Montreal
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    You're a special case.
     
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  6. Desere

    Desere Red Card

    sampdoria
    Italy
    Oct 16, 2017
    Yeah I'm sure they don't realise what's at stake.

    What do you think is actually going to happen when they don't qualify? The mafia will kill them? Life will stop? haha. Guess what, life goes on. No one gives a ********. That's also the problem from a footballing sense, is that no one cares. All that's going to happen is these cunts are going to get thought of, for what they actually are. Shithouse.

    If the real people cared, Ventura would have been gone long ago. But more so than that, if 2010 wasn't an indicator and what state of Italian football was in, then 2014 should have been. But it wasn't. 2 exits in the group stage consecutively. And during qualifying in 2009, what should have happened to ventura should have happened to Lippi. He should have been sacked. At least in 2010 they had the poor lame excuse in loyalty and what he did in 2006, not that it should have given him a pass. Now we have cunts who haven;t won a thing at even club level and are 69 years of age making a mockery of our team in qualifying and he's still allowed to be in charge.

    Speaks volumes about Italian football. After writing this out, I'm glad we are not going to qualify. Because look at how inept, corrupt and pathetic our organisation has become.
     
  7. r0adrunner

    r0adrunner Member+

    Jun 4, 2011
    London, UK
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    For those citing Ventura's lack of experience internationally and with big clubs in CL and EL (just one EL campagin with Torino a few seasons ago, if I'm not mistaken), what about Joachim Loew's modest career before his promotion from being Kilnsmann's assistant to NT coach of Germany in 2006? Yes, he was 20 years or so younger, but still he took command without any track record of significant achievement at club level and he wasn't even a "Federation-coach" like Beazot or Vicini were, he had worked for clubs in Germany and in Turkey.

    When Conte announced in March 2016 that he would not renew his contract, a great deal of thought when into who should succeed him. The situation was compromised because 2016 was not a year when many coaches were available, but the crucial error was made in 2014 when Conte was hired for 2 years. The contract of the NT coach should - in principle - last for 4 years between WCs to enable the coach to prepare for the forthcoming WC which should be given higher priority than the EC.
     
  8. r0adrunner

    r0adrunner Member+

    Jun 4, 2011
    London, UK
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    I thought Ventura was probably the best choice in 2016 simply because the only genuine alternative was Di Biasi.

    However, Spalletti was available back in July 2014 and - with hindsight - should have been given a 4-year contract until 2018, instead of hiring Conte. That would have made all the difference.

    Hopefully this lesson is learned for the future.
     
  9. La Magica

    La Magica Member+

    Aug 1, 2011
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Wrong about what? What has position got to do with what you were claiming? At the time I pointed out the lies you were posting.
     
  10. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    What many people forget about Germany's revolution is that not only youth work was completely renovated but also the coaching. Klinsmann and Löw were in fact part of few first class of new coaches coming out of the revamped program. DFB asked like 20 other coaches with more streetcred and experience before they almost had to go and ask them to do the job. It's more like a historical fluke than bold decision. Ventura is more comparable to Löw's predecessor Erich Ribbeck who was coaching in the league since the late 70ies but never was quite successful, who got the job cause no one else would want it and who eventually was responsible for the 2000 debacle.
     
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  11. r0adrunner

    r0adrunner Member+

    Jun 4, 2011
    London, UK
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Interesting, but I think the crucial point is that Ventura was credibile appointment in 2016, but if the mistake of appointing a coach on only a 2-year contract in 2014 had not been made he would not be the coach now and things would have gone differently.
     
  12. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    #637 falvo, Nov 12, 2017
    Last edited: Nov 12, 2017
    Ventura isn’t a national team coach but the main problem here is , there simply isn’t enough goal scorers or creative midfielders/playmakers. Italy use to produce many true #9’s or #10’a but where did they all go? CT’s always had problems deciding which ones to pick , now they have difficulty coming up with handfuls of different positions.

    At this point, forget about tactics, just go back to the basics. Score one (or now) two more than the other team.
     
  13. r0adrunner

    r0adrunner Member+

    Jun 4, 2011
    London, UK
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    I posted in the other thread about the reason for the lack of talent.

    Nevertheless, is there not enough talent available to at least qualify?
     
  14. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Its not looking so....Regardless if they play defense or GK, when you are having to field 3 players over the age of 34 to start for your national team when they should be mostly in their mid 20's or around 30, there is something wrong.

    Once again, "Largo ai giovani" already.......
     
  15. ITALIA1982

    ITALIA1982 Member

    Jun 14, 2005
    Toronto
    Club:
    AC Milan
    I do believe the loss 1-0 result in Sweden will fire up the Azzurri like we haven't seen in a long time , probably better than a tie, whether we qualify or not is different story.
    I worry most about a Swedish goal which will make the task near impossible.
    We will win tomorrow, but the question is what score ?
    Tough to make a prediction as we have a 50 - 50 chance of qualification.
    I have already accepted the fact that we will not be there in 2018...
     
  16. gumbacicc

    gumbacicc Member+

    Dec 7, 2004
    USA
    Why don't you ******** back off to your boards. The fact that we were shit doesn't somehow make your side anything special. You scored off a lucky deflection, were lucky not to concede on at least a few occasions and bunkered at home like a bunch of bitches. Congrats. Impressive.
     
  17. ITALIA1982

    ITALIA1982 Member

    Jun 14, 2005
    Toronto
    Club:
    AC Milan
    My prediction is simple
    If Sweden scores a goal, they will go through,
    If not then we go through
     
  18. gumbacicc

    gumbacicc Member+

    Dec 7, 2004
    USA
    Not anymore, we don't.
     
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  19. ITALIA1982

    ITALIA1982 Member

    Jun 14, 2005
    Toronto
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Too bad Super Mario wasn't part of the squad
     
  20. gumbacicc

    gumbacicc Member+

    Dec 7, 2004
    USA
    WTF did Immobile do against Sweden that we should have been impressed you cluless twat? The fact that he happened to bag more goals than anyone else in a historically poor Italian attack during a historically poor qualifying which may see us miss out on the World Cup for the first time in 50 years should have us overlook the pitiful performance we saw on Friday? Why don't you tell us about Immobile's stellar statistics when he was failing at bigger sides like Dortmund and Sevilla. As if there is no body of work to judge Immobile on other than this past season.

    Since you haven't been paying attention, no one here has said that Italy is great. The debate for months has been whether the majority of the blame rests with Ventura or this crop of players. It's pretty clear that Ventura is the main issue, but no one has ever stated this is a great side, or suggested we should just win because of the players on the pitch. That said, the Italian players are clearly better than the Swedes and it is inexcusable to lose to this Swedish side. We're not playing a side with talent like the Portuguese.

    Now ******** off you miserable prick.
     
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  21. Calcio Pauly

    Calcio Pauly Member+

    Jun 17, 2012
    Club:
    AC Milan
    That was too funny (check out the dates):

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    Ligue 1 POY awards...
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    Try again?



    This was pretty funny too

    Keep up the good work Totti Fan, and thanks for bringing the "reinforcements" in the form of Désirée
     
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  22. ITALIA1982

    ITALIA1982 Member

    Jun 14, 2005
    Toronto
    Club:
    AC Milan
    The odds for the correct score in ranking order

    1. Italy 1-0
    2. Italy 2-0
    3. Tie 1-1
    4. Tie 0-0
    5. Italy 2-1
    6. Italy 3-0
    7. Sweden 1-0
    8. Italy 3-1
     
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  23. johnny6

    johnny6 Member+

    AC Milan
    Italy
    Jun 29, 2011
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    A little optimistic don't you think?
     
  24. ITALIA1982

    ITALIA1982 Member

    Jun 14, 2005
    Toronto
    Club:
    AC Milan
    No. because the 1-0 actually favors them due to the away goal in extra time.
    followed by the 2-0 and then followed by 3 doomsday scenarios 2 ties and the dreaded 2-1 !!
     
  25. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    #650 falvo, Nov 12, 2017
    Last edited: Nov 12, 2017
    The fact that no one really cares about the national team until tournament time has been pretty much proven. It’s always been understood that Italy will qualify and then things will eventually take care of themselves. Maybe Italians abroad feel stronger about it but I can assure you the average Juve, Milan , Inter , Viola , Napoli Romanista and Laziale fan cares about their club first and foremost.

    All of my juventini, romanisti, lazio , napoletani , milanisti , viola , interisti friends and relatives in Italy lose sleep when their clubs lose. They can care less about a winning or losing a qualifying game against Estonia in late August. That has been going on for as long as I remember. They may care tomorrow and next summer when Italy isn’t playing but that’s about it.
     

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