Clasificatorias a Rusia 2018 [R]

Bueno, estamos acá. El partido más importante de las eliminatorias por su significado. Está muy difícil pero tengo toda la fé. Ojalá el equipo rinda y que nada raro pase. Vamos Chilito!

 

Pienso que muchos de la generación más vieja (28 años +) en general, por supuesto, no serían los culpables si Chile no logra clasificar. La generación de Enzo Roco y Nicolas Castillo ha demostrado ser incapaz de seguir el estándar que dejó el equipo de Canadá 07.

 

Hasta aquí llegamos. Gracias totales, fueron unas décadas hermosas.

 

*dusts off the ti-83*

 

Muchísimas gracias Marcelo Díaz.
Nuevamente ........

Ya quiero ver los que van a defenderlo ahora

 

YO creo que el problema es el siguiente: Pizzi no se atreve a sacar a jugadores que parecen "intocables". A Sanchez, desde que se hizo publico su romance su juego va de mal en peor, pa' que decir estos dos partidos donde no se concreto su salida del Arsenal y sencillamente estuvo desaparecido . MArcelo Diaz, sigue acumulando errores, uno tras otros y nos cuestan puntos y partidos. AL parecer es intocable. Vidal mucha foto, mucho posteo en las redes sociales pero en la cancha poco y nada. Bravo, ya no transmite la seguridad de antes, al parecer su falta de futbol en el MAn CIty le esta pasando la cuenta. (GRacias GUardiola) Un tecnico como Bielsa, no se habria hecho problema en sentar a algunos de estos jugadores y poner a otros no mas. Asi de simple, la diferencia entre un buen DT y un gran DT. Mourinho es otro que habria hecho lo mismo en esta situacion. Tampoco entiendo porque corto a E Pulgar de la seleccion.

 

Not me. It is impossible to defend a senior player after too many mistakes.

But, Díaz is just a symptom of the disease. The reality is that Chile grew too comfortable. In any team sport, the unforgiving nature of competition is what keeps players honest, focused, ready. Pizzi, in my opinion, deserves culpability because he forgot one simple thing: players should work and sweat for continuity, or die trying. Too many spots were untouchable. Our best player rivals LeBron James on social media, and there were only two players who could talk a lot and still win: Muhammad Ali and Michael Jordan. Our best players lost that hunger, and we had no support cast.

Winning in places like La Paz was never a right, it was always a privilege. The players became self-entitled, and are now paying for it.

To be honest, I won't be upset if the world cup is gone. What bugs me is that we seemed to have regressed to that old culture or mindset.

 

hey, look on the bright side...2022 is right around the corner

 

I don't really mind if we don't make it to the WC, as this team has given us lots of happy moments in the past, and in sports you can't expect to always win.

When playing any match, one thing is to accept to lose because the opponents were better, but another completely diferent is to just give away the match over some stupidity.

Truth is, our whole team is currently playing bad, but despite this fact, the match against Bolivia could've perfectly finished in a draw, as the bolivians weren't playing great neither (as a diference to Paraguay whom did what they planified to do since the first minute of that match, when it was Vidal whom fvcked-up), which at the end could've meant our team a point, which would leave us better positioned at the final standings. Unfortunately, the other teams are leaving us behind by simply getting points, despite not playing much either, adding them one by one, while we don't get any.

This time, with his decisive action, Marcelo díaz simply handed over the match to Bolivia, the same as he did it at the Confed cup, with another stupid play. At present times, Marcelo Diaz in every match he has played lately, he has become into a time bomb just waiting to implode in our team, to cost the whole team another defeat with his actions.

And this match was no exception.

 

Enjoy the moment. No one seems to care about Peru. For what it's worth, I'd like to see you guys in the world cup. Paolo Guerrero should go out in style.

 

jajaja, lets pretend this isn't a provocation and if it was the other way around you would all call for a ban-

 

I think the biggest mistake was starting Marcelo Diaz ahead of Aranguiz. Marcelo Diaz is probably the first to burn out of this generation, in large part due to his club (in)activity. The unfortunate handball and mistake at the Confed Cup sped things up.

***On a side note; Are they seriously not going to do anything about all the stuff that happened in Bolivia?

The bolivian player literally pushed the linesman, nothing happened. Claudio Bravo received homophobic chants...nothing will happen? there were anti-chilean chants...nothing will happen? They booed our national anthem...nothing happens? What about the nice gesture of the bolivian player at the bench grabbing his genitals towards the chilean bench...nothing happens?

If all of that happened in Chile we would not only be suspended from that particular stadium but prob. lose points in the process.

 

problem was that Aranguiz was ruled out for this match due to cumulative yellow cards

But yes, probably that's the reason why Diaz is prone to so many mistakes now

On regards to all the stuff Bolivia did, at most they'll get sanctioned with fines by FIFA, or not allowing them to play in La Paz for some matches in the future. At the end, we will not win anything from it.

Anyhow, they could still switch their matches to Oruro, which is at almost the same altitude as La Paz.

 

Btw, at which moment did Alexis get the yellow card ?
(which rules him out for next match, for cumulative yellow cards)

I don't recall it while watching the match.

FIFA's report from the match confirms it (same as for Beausejour, whom clearly got it for taking too much time to make a throw in, reasons why he'll miss next match)

 

Ni el arbitro general del partido sabe de donde salió dicha tarjeta :

http://www.biobiochile.cl/noticias/...-se-quien-invento-eso-no-fue-amonestado.shtml

 

So Alexis is not out. Good.

 

Problem is that both FIFA and Conmebol insist he got a yellow, and they continue saying he misses next match.

FIFA's and Conmebol's authority regarding this issue, is on top of whatever the referee might say over it.

Who knows ?........ might be FIFA's dirty hands trying to help Argentina once again

 

Compare the current Chile squad with the one that won the Copa América 2015: 14 players in Europe; 11 in the Big 4 leagues, and 2 in respectable teams (Gutierrez in Twente and at his peak, Gato Silva in Brugge) or coming from a great season (Angelo Henriquez). Then you left out players such as Carmona, Iturra, European Nico Castillo, Lolo Reyes (Betis), Roco, Orellana, etc. And all of the players in the South American leagues played in big teams: Fuenzalida in Boca, Mena in Cruzeiro, Aranguiz in Internacional, and Valdivia in Palmeiras. Now, tell me you do not see a problem.

The Copa Centenario squad was also great, even though you had some players recently returning to Chile back then like Jara and Fuenzalida. Among the players taken to USA I will outline the Celta trio (Orellana, Diaz, Tucu), Isla playing in a big team (l'OM), Mena in Sao Paulo, Pulgar in Bologna. The absents: Carmona (Atalanta), Matias Fernández (Fiorentina), Paulo Diaz (San Lorenzo), Albornoz.

Not only Chile had a feared starting XI tanking into account the teams where they played, Chile also had depth and moreso, did not consider players from big leagues.

For me the current problem is clear, the players stopped being competitive and did not fight for their places in the Elite. They gave up way too soon while still having one more World Cup left.
The bigger Pizzi's responsability is not tactical, it is his lack of control in the destiny chosen by his players. He was ok with them searching the easy money in México or even in Chile, but failed to detect the drop in level as a result of those decisions. At the end of the day, it's the players money, the matter is that chosing a shitty league will make you a worse player.

 

Y dale con los equipos por los que juegan.

Su baja, es porque están viejos, son casi los mismos jugadores, y no ha habido recambio en el equipo desde los tiempos de Bielsa. Era sabido que esto nos iba a pasar la cuenta en algún momento y como bien dijo @Yañez , al parecer Díaz ya está evidenciando esto. Y lo que es peor, es que en poco tiempo más, no solo él será el que lo muestre.

Ya lo dijo Vidal, y ahora también lo dijo Alexis con otras palabras : A ellos les queda poco tiempo más defendiendo nuestra selección. Según ambos, estas son las últimas eliminatorias y eventual mundial, que jugarán .

Y después que casi todos ellos no estén,.........uyuyui......con el equipito que vamos a tener, con "cueva" le disputaremos los partidos solo a Bolivia, ya que a diferencia nuestra, los demás equipos si se están renovando permanentemente. Cuando esto pase, si podrás hablar de los clubes por los que juegan, aunque la verdad, ni aunque quieran jugar en Europa, allá a nadie les llama la atención nuestros jugadores jovenes, pues son pésimos comparado con el nivel de allá y solo les alcanza a lo mucho, para jugar en México.

 

Ok, te doy la razón. En Pumas de la UNAM y Schalke 04 juega exactamente la misma categoría de jugador.

 

Their old, that's it. They are not in better teams cause they are old or not good enough.

We've been saying this since at least 2014... the day of reckoning was going to come because time defeats everybody.

It's not social media either, Vidal was always like this, when he was winning and now when he is losing. It's only become a factor now because we happen to be losing.

We will have to wait and see what the future crops bring...

 

Parece que este equipo esta hecho solo para torneos cortos como la Copa America. En un torneo largo como las eliminatorias, no nos da al parecer. Como dije antes, Pizzi no se atreve a sacar a los jugadores que no rinden. PArece que lo esbozo Sampaoli cuando se fue es verdad, de alguna manera, el camarin esta quebrado de alguna manera. Ahora, como no pasaba hace mucho tiempo, dependemos de otros para llegar al mundial o al menos, al repechaje. Si esque ....
Y coincido con lo que dijeron mas arriba: Al parecer Marcelo Diaz ya empezo su declive, no vaya a ser que el resto se contagie,

 

No es hora de tratar cosas nuevas. Chile tiene que recuperar su fútbol ante Ecuador, y ganar ese partido. Un mes en las canchas y la ira de estar en esta posición deberían ayudar a eso. Una vez ganado ese partido jugando bien, veremos cómo podemos clasificar al mundial. Jugando como en estas dos tandas no merecemos ir a ninguna parte. Solo con buen juego va Ecuador podemos empezar a soñar con un resultado favorable ante Brasil. Creo que con buen juego el gol llegara.

 

bien dicho.