The level of stupidity on this forum is out of control. Really didn't think I'd see comments like this here. Judging a whole demographic based on a select few players while there are other players of different backgrounds that can be classed as lazy too. Also, the players you mentioned are all American, so if you're calling all Americans lazy than I'm confused. However, I do know you were targeting the black population calling them out as lazy, which is even more stupid, as black isn't even an ethnicity but rather a race.
oh my bad. i didn't even wish to make it a platform for those to misuse. Just for them to understand how even using "lazy" for some can taint whatever they're trying to present. Though of course I don't believe the poster who used it, had any negative intent with it.
I'm pretty sure the poster was citing examples of black players who have been unfairly tagged as "lazy." In other words, he or she is calling out the fans/posters, not the players.
@unitea was just mentioning a few AfAm players who have been called "lazy" on these boards. Adu has also gotten that criticism, but as noted, Shea, even Dempsey, get that lable at times. It would be possible to data-mine the posts here to get some stats, but I'm way too... wait for it... lazy to do that. I do think that this stage in Green's career reflects a new challenge that will require some serious mental fortitude to get through. As with Rover's point, it's clear he's not "lazy" in any way that would have suggested to Bayer he did not have the work ethic to succeed as a pro. But there are also various shades of "lazy" - although in this case it will probably have more to do with whether he can recalibrate expectation and apply the same work-ethic he must have had training with the golden boys to training with the less gilded team he'll be playing for now. Some folks can do that, some can't. Hard to imagine he doesn't have the talent to contribute at the B2 level, it will be all about mental fortitude and crafting his game to help the team, rather than the other way around, at this point.
I don't think Green's game is lazy. He covers space, has his runs, and moves centrally when needed. At least from the little I've seen of him the WC14. Thankfully 2.BuLi is much easier to watch than the Championship (most Ch'ship games are not even broadcast). Anyway, he works on the field, although he's not hyper like Aronjo used to be (also, minus the gesticulating, it made me want to clock Bacon). No idea if he's lazy in the training ground or in the gym. Some people just don't get muscular, no matter what.
And effective. With a game like his, his body simply couldn't do much work, so his brain had to do it all. But then, according to Johann Cryuff, "football is a game played in your head. Your feet are there to help you."
From Stuttgart VfB's website: (emphasis mine) http://www.vfb.de/en/vfb/latest/news/professionals/2017/julian-green-leihe-/
Not sure, except with Stuttgart, they were playing a (mostly) 1 forward set-up, with Terrode up top, who was tearing up the B2 last year. LW was a position of need, and he started out there, but was replaced by a couple of actual LWs.
No worries, we need ot be able to talk about this stuff. Yeah, Mathis and Brek Shea have been called lazy, but in my opinion, when a black player struggles effort and attitude seem to come up more frequently. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so. I'd also be pretty hesitant to use that word for any pro...pretty tough to get to a semi-decent level without putting in a lot of work.
4-2-3-1, partly It's the go-to formation these days, which means there's only room for one dedicated striker in a team. A guy who can play LW/LM tends to get shunted out there because he can "do a job," even if he's better as a CF, and then the no. 2 pure striker gets to be second in line for the sole CF spot. 4-3-3 is the second choice, but again only has one CF berth and the guys like Green who can do wide left still get shunted out wide, though there are more opportunities to cut inside, etc.
Maybe, but so is he then. If CF is where he's best, but he's not bulky enough for today's BL1 coaches, have his agent find a team where he will be the presumed starting/backup CF, and if that means dropping down one, or even two divisions, so be it. Take the payoff from Stuttgart, sign with, say, Osnabruck or Vitoria Setubal and start working your way back up the divisions/leagues. BL1 money is great, especially as it shows how much your potential impact is valued. Then again, the value placed on your actual impact has (or ought to have) more meaning to you personally, even if it comes with a paycut. And with a million-plus Euros in the bank, going from 300k to 100k isn't a real sacrifice at all unless you like the bling-bling part of pro football, and there's not much evidence of that with Green: being a mama's boy does have its upsides .
Green have not played enough football (professionally) for anyone to have a valid opinion about his talent (or lack thereof). I'll put that in details. Green, more than 3 yrs after scoring in the World Cup (that moment probably harmed more than it helped his career) have only played 767 minutes of professional club football. 767 minutes in 3 seasons. The equivalent of 8 and a half games. In THREE years. Green is probably the only player who played more national team football team than club football. 2014/2015: 5 Appearances. All in the Bundesliga. 109 minutes. 4 as a sub. Hamburg took a player on loan, who has never played any minutes in professional club football. They loaned someone from 4th division football to play in 1st division football. This is huge jump. A jump from amateur football to professional football. He played some of the first few games. Didn't convince. Asked to gather minutes with the second team which play 4th division football. Refused (a damning action in German football), and from there he effectively killed his season. He burned all the bridges only couple of months into his loan. Hamburg offered for him to complete the loan somewhere else and he refused. Overall, 109 minutes in 5 appearances. Hamburg is the only club where he played in the Bundesliga, and this will remain to be the case until summer 2018. 4 years time. 2015/2016: 1 appearance. 62 minutes in the meaningless CL game against Zagreb. Green insisted to remain with Bayern's reserve. He refused to go on loan despite Bayern CEO Rummeingge saying publicly in more than one occasion that they would like for him to go on loan. So from July, Green knew he would only play in the semi-professional 4th division league. He only played 62 minutes with the first team in the meaningless games against Zagreb. He was substituted after doing pretty much nothing. Overall, 62 minutes of professional club football. If 2014/2015 was bad, 2015/2016 was worse. 2016/2017: First half with Bayern: 2 appearances. 113 minutes. Both in the cup. Second half of the season with Stuttgart: 10 appearances. 483 minutes. All in 2.Bundesliga. 3 as sub. Again this season, Green seems to be clinging into the fading Bayern dream and decided to stay with Bayern. Despite Bayern having only Lewandowski as a striker, Green was not seen as an option for the first team. He played in the cup matches. 24 minutes as a sub in the first round of the cup - first game of the season - and 89 minutes against Augsburg where he scored a goal. Stuttgart bought him for €500k in the winter. A low fee in which they saw him as a low risk purchase. Someone who if did well, great, if not, well he didn't cost us that much. It's there where he seem to finally start play professional football. He did okay-ish. Nothing spectacular or showing any sign of something great is expected of him. That's why with the team promoted to the Bundesliga, better players were bought and he became one of the unwanted players in the team. Overall, after breaking through in 2014, Green has played in 18 games in professional club football. 767 minutes. He only played one full 90 minutes. ONE. Safe to say, we are still waiting to see the real Green. We only see glimpses from month to month. You can't see for sure whether he can make it or not from that low sample of football he played. But it's not a good sign that he seemed to convince none of his coaches to play more regularly, or that he wasted the hugely important years of development, from 18-22 yrs, playing little to nothing football.
Furthermore, I think one of the reason he struggled so far in his career is his mentality. He seems to think he can achieve his goals without putting much effort or listening from experienced people. There's thin line between confidence and arrogance. This is evident from this story told by his father. Whole article is interesting. Written in 2015. Fair to say, the writer will be disappointed how Green's career went into the next 2-3 years. “ https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...view-fourth-division-is-not-a-solution-for-me