Ok , so by the age of 20 in Serie A , for a recently promoted team, if your research is correct , he only scored 19 goals and got 16 assists in open play. How is that still not amazing?
Also , Schick could be amazing too. I dunno why you brought him in the discussion , but there's room for him too!
You wanted examples, 10 goals from a forward the team is built around is not groundbreaking. Besides, I'm not sure why his form 3-4 years ago is more relevant than the last 2 years.
Well , for starters , you totally erased his pens. If we did that to a lot of players in the history of the game , there would be some huge dents in their numbers. 2) He's not a Striker. So, the goal tallies from his position are a little more impressive , imo. 3) You keep using " the team built around him" caveat as if it's not a good thing. He's the number 1 target of the defence and it's game plan. To carry a recently promoted side as an U-20 , IS RARE , as much as you refute it. 4) Schick looks really good. And if he goes through a similar harsh period (because of injuries) as Berardi , I will do the same thing and point back to this period of time when he looked like a possible world beater. 5) His earlier form is relevant because people seem to be writing him off-- As a 23 year old! I think it's more than fair to look at his production as a 19-20-21 year old as some sort of guide, wouldn't you say? This isn't an example of a 33 year old riddled with injuries and me pointing out to his fantastic form in his late 20's as some sort of ridiculous basis.
Yes, penalties inflate stats. Berardi has been little more than a glorified Ljajic for the past 2 years, and Sassuollo want 50M for him. He is a forward, I broke down his goal scoring record because more than one poster were hyping him based on exactly that without looking any deeper than his first page in transfermarket. I don't know why people still assume a forward will just get better as he ages, and a good form in his early twenties means he will be a super star. I mean its not like Roma have signed Iturbe, Destro and Ljajic in the last few years, who all peaked in their early twenties and never played to that level again. If Schick regresses for the next 2 years, he will be where Berardi is at right now, except his price will be 5M instead of 50M.
Something did happen in his personal life and he missed 6 months last year. He may not have been the same player since but he is so much more than the goals. Of course the money they want is way to much but he is an extremely intelligent player.
What I really admire about Berardi is his intelligence when it comes to making decisions off the pitch. He most likely knows he can still develop more and doesn't seem to want to make the jump to a bigger team yet and you have to respect that. How many players are ruined because they move to a bigger team and either buckle under the pressure or don't get enough playing time and never end up being the player we all thought they'd be? Too many. Stats aside. Everytime I saw Berardi play I was impressed. Sometimes people go through things in life that take their head out of what they're doing and that seems to be what's going on with him for. The rumors I hear. Also, his injury did not help. I think this year and the next will be big years to see what he is truly made of.
The simplicity of your thoughts is astounding. You denigrate a brilliant beginning of a career by a 'pens' argument. Then follow it up by saying the 'team was built around him'. Then you compare the start of his career to Iturbe/Destro and Ljajic. Without talking about his game , his influence , does he make others better , the context of his peaks and valleys , what people in the game have said about him , the high profile clubs he's turned down.. or anything remotely showing any interest beyond blanket statement after blanket statement. And for the cherry on top, you call him a glorified Ljajic (without any regard or reason as to why he's struggled) and, of course , with a tasty proviso that he'd be worth 5 million if he wasn't Italian. Skip Bayless , is that you?
Though he is an interista and has rejected Juve I am rooting for him aswell. But I hope he leaves soon as i'd rather he not become another Di Natale.
Rejecting Juve was the right move at the time, because Berardi wouldn't have got much playing time there at all considering that Juve is heavily stacked in almost every position. But if he's truly going to become the next great thing out of Italy, he needs to start playing with better players and start playing in the Champions League. He's 23 now. When exactly is he going to take the next step? Joining Roma this year would have checked all the right boxes - an actual vacancy in his preferred position in a CL team, the opportunity to make a starting position at a top 3 Italian club his own, CL football, and the chance to play for a coach under whom he has previously played & flourished.
Nianggolan moved at 25 after rejecting many offers to stay, it's a good career path. Players today thinking they've got to make the move in their early 20s so often end up misused at the big teams want to win now and have no time to watch players make mistakes. There is no rush 25 is a good age after honing your skills and maturing. 7 good years at least to give and keep improving for a big club.
Wait, I get what you are saying but you didn't apply the same criteria to Mahrez. In league play last season Mahrez scored 6 goals, 3 were penalties, Berardi scored 5, 2 were penalties. You also leave out Berardi's assists. In the last 3 years in all play he has had 11, 8 and 13 assists. Mahrez has had; 7, 10 and 3. If you go through the stats Berardi measures up, statistically, to Mahrez whom everybody here was willing to pay 40 mil. All this and Berardi is 3 years younger. Also, comparing Schick and Berardi is pointless they are different players. Schick is going to score more goals, he's more of a ST, pure goal scorer. Berardi is going to open up play and deliver a lot more key passes. Like I said, I wouldn't pay 40 mil for Berardi but I think it's extremely unfair to call him average.
^This. Way too often young players ruin their careers because they can't wait to jump to a bigger club only to sit on the bench behind more experienced stars. Look at Sanchez (Bayern) and James (RM).
#calciomercatopremium#Inter, #Sabatini: "#Schick al 99% va alla #Roma, non intendiamo partecipare ad aste". @sampdoria #premiumsport— Pressing (@PressingReal) August 25, 2017
Radja Nainggolan left out the 🇧🇪 squad: "I'm very disappointed. I'll let this settle down and then I'll think about my future." (@hlnsport) pic.twitter.com/OJX4VMXolR— Kristof Terreur (@kristofterreur) August 25, 2017
Well yeah that would be an obvious guess. Martinez doesn't like him because he plays hard off the pitch. He can't get past how he lives... Parties, smokes, drinks, enjoying himself and not living the modern footballers life of football house football while still being one of the best in the world. Martinez is showing himself to be a weak little man.
Yup. Furthermore I've always felt he never received the respect he deserves from his national team. Their loss is our gain. If he calls time on his international career that could mean that much more quality time for Roma. Count me in.
So, Saba says Schick is 99% Roma. Does anyone believe this is an honest statement, or are we playing games...?
#Sabatini: "#Schick will 99% go to #Roma." https://t.co/4XrBBANPtD— RomaPress (@ASRomaPress) August 25, 2017
I've never understood that. I could see why Roma might care, they have a long term stake in Ninja.. but Martinez, his job is to put the best players today on the field. If Ninja sucks in 2 years why the hell does Martinez care, get what you can out of him now.