PORTUGAL VS CHILE 2017 FIFA CONFEDERATIONS CUP SEMI FINAL[R]

Discussion in 'Portugal: National Teams' started by GoodDead, Jun 24, 2017.

  1. Nani_17

    Nani_17 Member+

    Nov 3, 2011
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Always heart breaking to lose in a semi or final. However, there are some good positives. The young group is gaining experience, and with each passing battle it makes them that much more battle tested. A.Silva didn't have a great game, but disagree with me if you like, but he shows a huge upside I haven't seen in a Portuguese striker for a very long time. Hope he can learn to control his temper though. The most exciting part is Bernardo has awoken for the NT. This guy is the future, and watching him play is like football porn for me.

    I would like to say I thought Gomes played decent and did some good things, he just can't shoot worth a sh*t. What happen to the Valencia Gomes?

    Future remains very bright for us, and we should all be excited and confident. We also maintain a nice record of 1 loss in 20 competitive matches.
     
  2. Jonathan Pimentel

    Aug 29, 2013
    Club:
    SL Benfica
    Exactly guys, in the back of my mind.. i was always aware of the fact teams who win this cup.. historically have not won the WC the following year.

    Am i disapointed with the result? yes! did i want to win this tournament? absolutely! but.. i am not nearly as devastated about loosing this game as i would have been in a EC or WC setting.

    There are positives. As mentioned, some of the younger guys have been phased into the line up.. and are here to stay (B.Silva/A.Silva).
    Next up would be Semedo/Cancelo in the RB position.
    Potentially R.Semedo in the CB position.
    Bruma as LM if he can continue to develop and keep his head on his shoulders.
    Our bench will need to be overhauled with younger fresher blood.

    Aside from that, i do not anticipate many changes... nor does there to need to be a ton of changes. The tournament was a bit of a learning lesson... an an opportunity to blend a bit more youth into the line up and cement it there.

    Ideally for me:

    ----------Ronaldo-------a.silva
    --Bruma--Mario-----William--B.Silva
    -Guerr------Pepe-----Semedo----Semedo
    ---------------------Rui

    J.Perreira
    J.Sa
    Cedric/Cancelo
    Alves/Fonte/Le/Neto
    Coentrao/R.Mario
    R.Neves/Danilo
    A.Gomes
    Quaresma
    G.Martins

    I do not believe guys like Podence, Paciencia, Guedes and others have a spot on this team at this point.
     
  3. trebaruna

    trebaruna Member

    Jun 13, 2017
    Los Angeles
    André Silva needs several chances to put one in the back of the net. He should have scored minute 7 against chile. He's just 21, he still needs time, better not expect too much from him at this point. That's what happened to Nelson Oliveira, too much too soon. Now he's buried somewhere in the english second division.
    Regarding Andre Gomes, I will say that CR7 takes all the free kicks and nearly misses them all, and no one says anything. Other than that, his natural position is in the center of the field. He's not a winger. Often FS makes the team play with just one winger, this was part of the problem in yesterday's game.
    Bruma is an excellent prospect but he's like Balotelli. Too much talent for his own good. He needs to be careful, in Germany he won't be able to get away with as much as he did in Turkey.
     
  4. Nani_17

    Nani_17 Member+

    Nov 3, 2011
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    I think A.Silva has much more upside than Nelo ever had. His link up play is far superior too. But at 21 he clearly has to refine his converting, I'm just confident he will only get better. The risk of course is he won't get enough playing time in Milan.
     
  5. SCP_16

    SCP_16 Member+

    Aug 8, 2004
    Bay Area
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Exactly. I think Silva did a lot more than trash like Gomes. In regards to Nelo, Nelo's craeer was ruined because SLB wouldn't give him a chance and kept loaning him and burying him in the depth charts.
     
  6. coelho

    coelho Member

    May 12, 2016
    Club:
    SL Benfica
    What about Raphael Geurreiro in the midfield? We automatically slot him into Left back but if he continues to be played in the midfield at Dortmund and excels and has a great season, then we shouldn't "waste" him at left back. That is if Coentrao regains his form and has an injury free campaign with Sporting. If that happens then maybe we have our answer on who best to partner with Carvalho, Mario and Bernardo in the midfield. That would be one hell of a creative midfield although it may be a bit small versus elite competition. Raphael is excellent for us in attack from the LB position so it makes sense to keep him there as he essentially becomes a winger throughout the game, but could be interesting playing him in the midfield as well.

    It will be interesting to see how Gomes develops this season. I actually thought he was good in pretty much every game, besides his shooting which was absolutely horrendous. He is an easy scapegoat but with his size and skill in the midfield, a lot of teams would kill to have a player like that. He just really needs to work on his shooting because he had some glorious chances. Another positive is he kept shooting even after missing terribly, that tells you a little bit about him, he isn't afraid to fail. Leaders want the ball at their feet and want to shoot when the game on the line, whereas you have a player I have loved forever in Moutinho who shies away from these moments. He looked terrified in the penalties, not sure whats happened to him, hes gone from undisputable starter to a bench player and really is a shell of his former self at what, 30 years old?
     
  7. SCP_16

    SCP_16 Member+

    Aug 8, 2004
    Bay Area
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Podence & Guedes will and should have a spot on this team in two years time. No doubt about that.
     
  8. portugamerifinn

    portugamerifinn Member+

    Feb 22, 2005
    Bay Area / London
    How anyone can disparage Andre Silva right now after Portugal has spent a decade relying on past their prime or never good during their prime strikers like Helder Postiga, Nuno Gomes, Hugo Almeida, Eder, Liedson and Nelson Oliveira is beyond me. He's come out of nowhere the past couple seasons and already scored eight times in 12 caps as a 21-year-old, and he's shown he can score in different ways while having a greater impact on the match than some pure poacher would.

    Sure, we'd like for him to score every time he has a clear shot, but that's not how the sport works. It's not like he's missing the goal on uncontested tap-ins; it's taken a couple great saves and a GK who played a fantastic game saving a shot with his butt to prevent him from scoring in every match this tournament. I don't understand how people who supposedly live and breathe this sport can be so oblivious to the fact that it's difficult to score goals. Nobody here is trying to say Andre is sure to be a legend, but if you aren't happy Portugal has him on the field trying to score goals then I'm not sure what kind of expectations you have. Is there some 11-year-old prodigy we don't know about who should get a look?
     
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  9. nbstriker8

    nbstriker8 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 10, 2008
    new beige
    Club:
    SL Benfica
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Andre Silva wasn't the problem yesterday.

    Santos is normally very good at making the right tactical decisions but the Chilean manager Pizzi also excels at this. Santos' subs did nothing to infleunce that game, he got it wrong. Cedric, William and Adrien played well and everyone else was just kind of "meh".

    And then we had our best penalty taker twiddling his thumbs instead of setting the tone for the shootout like Vidal did.

    Bad game. It happens.
     
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  10. IslandBoy

    IslandBoy Member

    Jun 8, 2005
    Montreal, Canada
    Before the PK's selection for Portugal, I told my buddies that I really hope Joao moutinho is not part of the plans to take one.....

    His PK against Poland was the poorest out of all of them (despite him scoring). He clearly lacks confidence under pressure in PK's situations. Probably the PK miss against Spain in 2012 "scarred" him.

    That being said, when he went up to take it, I knew EXACTLY where he was going to put it. Where he missed in 2012, and where he converted last summer. I knew this and I was THOUSANDS of miles away. He needed to chnage it up, but when you lack confidence, it is hard.

    Bottom line, he should have NEVER been in that situation. I would have taken a Bruno Alves blast instead of those JM's stutter steps to the same place.
     
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  11. GoodDead

    GoodDead Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 8, 2004
    Toronto Canada
    Club:
    Sporting Braga
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    PK's next year: Ronaldo, Bruma, Gelson, Renato, Silva

    Get guys who want to do it and can do it.
     
  12. GoodDead

    GoodDead Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 8, 2004
    Toronto Canada
    Club:
    Sporting Braga
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Andre Gomes should take notes on shooting from the Germans. Two chances just shot to the corners with medium power lead to goals. He worries so much about power instead of placement.
     
  13. GoodDead

    GoodDead Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 8, 2004
    Toronto Canada
    Club:
    Sporting Braga
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    So far looks like we will play Mexico for 3rd.
    I'd go full experimental with a B team of sorts
    --------------------------Sa
    Semedo-------Danilo-Neto---------Eliseu
    -------------------------William
    Berardo----------Pizzi---Gomes----Gelson
    -------------------------Silva
     
  14. SCP_16

    SCP_16 Member+

    Aug 8, 2004
    Bay Area
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Gomes has neither.
     
  15. portugamerifinn

    portugamerifinn Member+

    Feb 22, 2005
    Bay Area / London
    Mexico is getting trashed. It was bad enough to play crappy and blow a late lead two Sundays ago, but if Portugal can't beat Mexico with two opportunities in two weeks I'm going to stop expecting anything next summer. Mexico is not a good team right now.
     
  16. GoodDead

    GoodDead Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 8, 2004
    Toronto Canada
    Club:
    Sporting Braga
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Power in a shot comes more from technique. Gomes just tries to blast it and as a result scuffs if as if he was never taught how to kick a ball. It's baffling.
     
  17. trebaruna

    trebaruna Member

    Jun 13, 2017
    Los Angeles
    Yep. Many have been underestimating this German team. Mexico is probably one of the most inflated team in the world. Decent attacking midfield, but pathetic defending. I hope Porto gets rid of Layun, herrera, and Reye this summer.
    Portugal having fail to beat them also shows this competition hasn't been a disaster but hasn't been far from it.
     
  18. D-Money136

    D-Money136 Member

    Real Madrid
    Portugal
    Jun 28, 2017
    Watching Mexico and know that they tied us makes me sick to my stomach. Is this team on the same level as mexico right now?
     
  19. RedBullSeven

    RedBullSeven Member+

    Apr 28, 2012
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    We could of destroy Mexico if Santos used Bernando and Andre.
     
  20. RedBullSeven

    RedBullSeven Member+

    Apr 28, 2012
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Santos is too conservative.
     
  21. Nani_17

    Nani_17 Member+

    Nov 3, 2011
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    You have to understand that's not how things work. We tied Chile whom tied Germany. It's played on a game by game basis. If you could draw up results perfectly by just watching other games, it would be easy to be a millionaire with sports betting
     
  22. Nani_17

    Nani_17 Member+

    Nov 3, 2011
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    We beat France at home after draws with Hungary and Iceland. What does that tell you?
     
  23. Sumol

    Sumol Member+

    Portugal
    Oct 12, 2011
    Club:
    SL Benfica
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Mexico had 26 shots to Germany's 12. The Mexicans also dominated possession. It was a great game despite the scoreline. Mexico's loss was entirely on coaching, the tactics were just all wrong. They were very naive.
     
  24. trebaruna

    trebaruna Member

    Jun 13, 2017
    Los Angeles
    Mexicans were the oldest team and by far. If someone could have been called naive it was the young German side. I wouldn't call that an accident, Mexico was just being Mexico. Decent at attacking, terrible at defending. They conceded on every game. Plus they have the kind of mentality of seeing themselves as stronger than they really are. Against ElSalvador, Guatemala, honduras they always win, and when they don't the ref gives them an extra hand. All that and their media inflates them and create unrealistic expectation for their people. They're a little bit like England, "This year is the year" every time.
    Before playing Portugal, they said Portugal was an average team, who only won the Euro 2016 out of luck. Still, they cheered the tie like they had won something. They probably thought they "had this", and the game against a B Germany was a pure formality. I was expecting them to get thrashed, I made me 20 bucks lol.
     
  25. Sumol

    Sumol Member+

    Portugal
    Oct 12, 2011
    Club:
    SL Benfica
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    I don't think Z took this loss too well. No posts. Not normal.
     

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