Confederations Cup: Mexico Vs Russia; June 24, 2017

Discussion in 'Mexico National Team' started by Philip J. Fry, Jun 22, 2017.

  1. Special_talent23

    Real Sociedad
    Mexico
    Mar 26, 2017
    Antes del 7-0 era bastante positivo, de hecho lo teniamos de hijos, no recuerdo bien el dato pero eran mas juegos ganados para Mexico e incluidas dos victorias en 4tos de final de Copa America.

    Aunque hay que decir que esta es la mejor seleccion chilena de la historia, igual no les durara mucho, cuando Alexis y Vidal bajen de su nivel regresaran a donde mismo, han tenido putridos torneos internacionales juveniles en la sub-17 y sub-20, no por nada muchos de sus jovenes andan en la liga mx y no en Europa.

    No tienen recambio generacional.
     
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  2. thedragonrik58

    thedragonrik58 Member+

    Los Angeles Football Club
    Mexico
    Jul 5, 2011
    Palmdale
    Club:
    CD Chivas USA
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    En Osorio no tanto, pero en los jugadores si. Tambien se que Chile no es lo mismo del año pasado. Parecen mejores por la mala forma de Mexico durante todo este torneo. Si Osorio mete a los jugadores adecuados, podemos ganar.
     
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  3. Chuky

    Chuky Member

    May 22, 2017
  4. Special_talent23

    Real Sociedad
    Mexico
    Mar 26, 2017
    Mejor le hubieran enseñado a pulir mas su técnica individual, cosa que si harán los maestros del PSV.
     
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  5. Miguel Myers

    Miguel Myers Member+

    Dec 3, 2011
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Alarming lack of spandex
     
  6. Colima24

    Colima24 Member+

    Jul 28, 2005
    Villa de Alvarez
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
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  7. chivamex10

    chivamex10 Member+

    Mar 1, 2010
    your mom's house
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    :rolleyes:

    You're a manager at a lemonade stand
    You just took over after a terrible season
    The stand was on its last leg.
    You fixed the foundation
    Found the right ingredients
    And boom, you're making lemonade that's prettty freaking good
    So good, it currently stands #1 in the region.
    You've had a pretty good run. Over 20+ batches and you've only fücked up one time. You didn't prep and somehow chile got in your lemonade. It almost ran you out of business. But you learned from it. Everyone thinks you're a mad scientist because you rarely use the same ingredients two days in a row, and that irritates your customers who want their favorite ingredients every time in their lemonade. But you found a winning recipe that's been difficult for your competitors to replicate or defeat.

    Your lemonade is currently in a national competition. Only the best lemonade in the world goes to this. And you just passed qualifiers. You're now one of four left in this competition.

    And remember, you took over this lemonade stand with a few missing legs, rotten lemons, no sugar, & dirty water.

    But guess what? Your customers think they can make better lemonade with you. In fact, almost everyone back home wants you to quit if you don't come out on top. Why? Because of assholes like @Puro_Sinaloa
     
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  8. NachoNation

    NachoNation Member+

    Jun 19, 2005
    GOAT Puzzle
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Lemonade stand?

    Lmao
     
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  9. ipaman

    ipaman Member+

    Apr 5, 2004
    HOUSTON, TX
    Do you even watch the games bro?!?! We played 4-3-3 today with Diego Reyes as a RB. It was Layun, Moreno, Arajuo, Reyes back 4, Guardis, HH, Jona middle 3, Chucky, Cheech, and Vela as your 3 up top. You could argue that Reyes is not a RB but he played RB today. No way in hell you can see that lineup and watch this game and think they played 5-3-2. Not sure what you are watching honestly.

    I'll give you more tactical insight since you seem to be lacking. Today Osorio played a 4-3-3 with clear instructions for his LB to attack and his RB to stay. My guess, without being in the coaches room, Osorio was more worried about Russian left sides players and counters (Zhirkov their most dangerous attacking player side) coming down Mexico's right side. I'll have to re-watch but from what I remember that was a good approach because Russia did way more on that side of the pitch. Reyes 1st half injury sub forced Osorio to change is plan of sending his LB but keeping his RB. Osorio had no choice but to go conventional 4-3-3 with two FBs, switching Layun to the right and bringing in L.Reyes for D.Reyes.

    This is also why Vela was a HT sub imo. Sure Vela was off today but more than that he was scacrificed due to change of that gameplan. Now with both conventional FBs, Osorio needed more workrate in front of Layun at RB than he did with D.Reyes than Vela did or would provide. Chucky and Aquino both (you saw today but Aquino marking was bad) would track back more than Vela did in front of D.Reyes.

    Again, I have to re-watch the match (I usually do 3 or 4 times) but this was my take on Osorio's plan for Russia and his changes due to injury.

    My advice to you friend, watch the games and analyze yourself. Don't get your analysis or talking points from Futbol Picante and trash shows like that.
     
  10. nopalnation

    nopalnation Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    San Diego CA
    Club:
    CA Monarcas Morelia
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Ta frio guey

    ..
     
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  11. Romario'sgurl

    Romario'sgurl Member+

    Wakanda FC
    Aug 26, 2000
    Wakanda
    Club:
    FC Ingolstadt 04
    Nat'l Team:
    Ghana
    Y'all have lost your damn minds. What in the world is going on with BSMX today??
     
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  12. Narc83

    Narc83 Member+

    Jul 21, 2007
    Phoenix
    Lol, now you know all of Osorio's inner thought processes and the instruction he gave to each player:rolleyes:. What a joke of a post that presumes to be "analysis" but is nothing more than vacuous prattle.

    "Tactical analysis" my ass. What where the duties and roles of the individual players? How did they attack? How did they defend? You didn't answer squat but gave me some obvious shit that the RB stays back and the LB tires to attack. Then some random shit that makes absolutely no sense.

    I hate to break it to you but we lack tactical order and any type of consistent organization. I don't see any game plan because each game we have drastic lineup changes and players seem to do whatever they please. What I see, is some crazy desire to play like piojo's 5-3-2 where you bypass the midfield but instead we get some unbalanced and chaotic randomness.

    We did not play a 4-3-3 because Osorio's tactics are opaque and fkn insane. We have 3 CB on the field and that means its not a backline of 4. We played completely unbalanced and its laughable that you pretend that we had some consistent game plan or tactics. Its why you don't offer any specifics but instead just offer some drivel that makes no sense.

    To start we played some shit like this:

    ----------------------------Ochoa----------------------
    -------------Reyes-----Araujo-----Moreno----------
    --------------------------------------------Layun--------
    -----------------------Herrera----Guardado----------
    ------Vela---------------JDS----------------------------
    ----------------------Chicharito------------Lozano----

    Here's some facts and tactics that i saw:

    Vela was completely isolated. JDS was constantly pressuring opposing players but no one else really did. Lozano and Chicharito flat out refused to drop back and help defend. Guardado and Layun didn't really do squat. Herrera tried to defend but was overwhelmed. It was a mess when they lost the ball because they were all scrambling because there was absolutely no consistent organization. JDS, Layun, Guardado, and Herrera was always out of position and we got nothing from the right since we literally had no one behind Vela (Reyes never advanced or tired to overlapped Vela).
     
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  13. sizal9

    sizal9 Member+

    Mexico
    Aug 24, 2005
    Da fu? Lol

    Repped
     
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  14. Tejano

    Tejano Member+

    Sep 25, 2012
    Puro ATL
    Club:
    CF Rayados de Monterrey
    I have to agree with narc. Even though we had the ball most of the time it was tough to break them. On the other hand every time (almost) russia had the ball they looked dangerous. Mex was very disorganized in the back.
     
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  15. Special_talent23

    Real Sociedad
    Mexico
    Mar 26, 2017
    Esto es lo que provoca el @Colima24 : violencia y peleas entre foristas.
     
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  16. Romario'sgurl

    Romario'sgurl Member+

    Wakanda FC
    Aug 26, 2000
    Wakanda
    Club:
    FC Ingolstadt 04
    Nat'l Team:
    Ghana
    LMAO. I'm sorry Coli..I had to laugh. :oops:
     
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  17. Tejano

    Tejano Member+

    Sep 25, 2012
    Puro ATL
    Club:
    CF Rayados de Monterrey
    A second point, a better team will bury all those chances. Portugal played very defensively. I do hope Osorio has learned from the Chile game, but we will see.
     
  18. Special_talent23

    Real Sociedad
    Mexico
    Mar 26, 2017
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    Man, I respect ur opinion but it was a clear 4-3-3.
     
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  19. thedragonrik58

    thedragonrik58 Member+

    Los Angeles Football Club
    Mexico
    Jul 5, 2011
    Palmdale
    Club:
    CD Chivas USA
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Am I the only one who is left in awe when @Special_talent23 posts in English? [emoji33]




    Probably lol
     
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  20. ipaman

    ipaman Member+

    Apr 5, 2004
    HOUSTON, TX
    Watch again, I think your view was wrong but that's okay everyone has different opinions. Also, I mentioned very clearly I'm not in any coaches meetings but you can tell certain plans by watching and listening.

    More data for you, http://resources.fifa.com/mm/docume.../65/eng_09_0624_mex-rus_tacticalstartlist.pdf

    Also, heatmaps will confirm but no way Vela played that low and no way Guardado was side by side with HH. Guardis was next to and combing with Chucky the entire first half.
     
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  21. DGreat

    DGreat Moderator
    Staff Member

    CD Guadalajara
    Mexico
    Oct 5, 2007
    El Ombligo
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    it was a clear 4-3-3 and here is JCO talking about it.
     
  22. It's called FOOTBALL

    LMX Clubs
    Mexico
    May 4, 2009
    Chitown
    He's a good poster, knows that Mexico is expanse and that there are different definitions for a term in different areas.
     
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  23. icybauer

    icybauer Member+

    Aug 8, 2011
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Thanks for the pbp :coffee::cool:
     
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  24. Mr. P Mosh

    Mr. P Mosh Member+

    Aug 10, 2009
    Monterrey, NL, Mex
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
     

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