By Dan Loney on May 26, 2017 at 2:43 PM
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    Thoughts on the 2017 National Soccer Hall of Fame ballot

    By Dan Loney on May 26, 2017 at 2:43 PM
    This is actually a much weaker Hall of Fame ballot than we have come to expect. Well, unless you count Tiffeny and Briana, who should have been in years ago. Usually there is at least one new potential inductee whose credentials stand out so much that voting is a formality – but we don’t have anyone like that this year. Just a bunch of people with okay to strong, but not overwhelming, candidacies.

    One assumes if you care enough about this subject to read my opinion on it, you have already perused the nominees and their biographies.

    Here’s who I voted for last year, apart from Brandi Chastain, who is now above such petty concerns:

    Chris Armas
    Frankie Hejduk
    Jason Kreis
    Kate Markgraf
    Tiffeny Milbrett
    Jaime Moreno
    Pat Onstad
    Steve Ralston
    Briana Scurry

    So I have one space free. If I want to add anyone else, I’d have to knock someone else off. Let’s see if that’s something I want to do.

    For the women, at least, it’s pretty easy. Leslie Osborne and Tina Frimpong Ellertson were good players. But they don’t measure up to Heather Mitts and Aly Wagner – let alone Markgraf, Milbrett and Scurry. Just because a player is eligible, that doesn’t make them a Hall of Famer.

    Or, to be less cruel – I think there are players currently on the ballot that are more deserving than Osborne and Ellertson, as well as Mitts and Wagner. You can’t induct a player just because they meet the bare minimum of eligibility. They’re not building the Burj Khalifa in Frisco, you know.

    The ballot now includes two of the best outside backs in the history of the US men’s national team – keeping in mind that historically speaking, outside backs are relatively new and relatively ignored. I can’t think of another reason why Frankie Hejduk didn’t make it in last year. Hejduk was the starting outside back (on both sides) in two World Cups, and one of the vanishingly small number of Americans who did not embarrass themselves in the 1998 World Cup. I don’t know what more you’re looking for in a Hall of Famer. Maybe people hold his St. Gallen stint very personally.

    Then there’s Steve Cherundolo. If you take his presence on the USMNT Centennial team to heart, then he should be a lock. But he was never what you would call a major star for the national team, and his 2006 World Cup (like most of the rest of the team) was pretty iffy. To me, his major accomplishment is his fifteen seasons in Germany, twelve of them in the Bundesliga, all with the same team. That would be a proud accomplishment for a German, let alone an American. The future may bring us an American who becomes a truly major star in Europe, but Cherundolo has set the standard.

    Cherundolo played an unglamorous position an unglamorous way for an unglamorous club. But it’s not the Hall of Glamor. And while it is the Hall of Fame, the purpose of the Hall is to confer fame onto deserving players who would otherwise go unrecognized. I’m not going to overlook him – spoiler, he’s getting the one free spot I have available – but I’m worried others might.

    So what do we do about all these MLS stars on the ballot? What can we do about them?

    The MLS Extra Time podcast this week echoed an unfortunately common idea – that Major League Soccer needs its own Hall of Fame. I disagree. The Hall covers first division soccer in America. It’s the de facto NASL Hall of Fame, and a growing original ASL Hall of Fame. It was not, and was never supposed to be, only for American national team players.

    I give you Bob Lenarduzzi, who didn’t play for the USMNT or a club based in the United States. His NASL career, with justice, earned his spot in the US Soccer Hall of Fame.

    Or take the example of Pele. In meaningful games, the legendary player at the end of a legendary career managed to score 36 goals in three seasons. Per Wikipedia, the Santos site (towards the bottom) gives Pele credit for 65 goals in 111 games. One assumes that around half of those games were friendlies, of course. But it speaks volumes for Pele’s dedication to the Cosmos, and to American soccer, that in three short seasons he would play over thirty games a year, scoring in every other outing. The Cosmos traveled the world during that time, and Pele was its key figure. It was a standard of American soccer ambassadorship that has yet to be approached by any other international player.

    If the NASL can be appreciated by Hall voters, so can MLS. The US national team was not quite what it is today, though. The voters over the past decade or so have focused on US national team achievements seemingly to the exclusion of all others.

    I make the negative argument that Preki and Jeff Agoos were recognized for their MLS achievements, because who on Earth would have voted in Jeff Agoos for his national team accomplishments? Most own goals in the World Cup? Most uniforms burnt?

    But for some reason, most voters can’t or won’t induct MLS players who were either substandard or ineligible for the US national team. Marco Etcheverry, Mauricio Cienfuegos and Carlos Valderrama have already been ignored by voters. Barring enlightenment in this year’s electorate, Chris Armas and Jason Kreis will fall under the Veterans’ purview next year.

    I myself have a personal system for rating MLS players who lack USMNT credentials. Would you like to hear about it? Thank you.

    Foreign players in MLS, as we have seen, have been ridiculously overlooked. If their accomplishments warrant, then I tend to give those players priority. Three of those players on the ballot this year are Pat Onstad and Jaime Moreno. Pat Onstad was, depending on the year, a key reason or the key reason his teams won. Where you want to put him among the top three keepers in MLS history is a matter for debate, but his league accomplishments are undeniable. Keeping Onstad out because he played against, rather than for, the USMNT is ridiculous to me.

    And Onstad’s case isn’t even as good as that for Jaime Moreno. A five time MLS Best XI player with more hardware than Home Depot – if Moreno doesn’t fit your conception of a member of the US National Soccer Hall of Fame, I’m baffled at who would.

    Now…not every foreign MLS player of note deserves induction, in my opinion. Let’s take, for example, a newcomer on the ballot – Amado Guevara. He was very, very, very good indeed – easily one of the best in the league. For one season. But the rest of his career simply wasn’t up to the standard of a Hall of Fame player. You can’t induct players, in any sport, on the strength of one great season. Guevara didn’t have the numbers, he didn’t have the longevity, he didn’t have the consistency, and for most of his MLS career he did not have the impact you would expect from a Hall of Fame player. He qualifies for the ballot, but that doesn’t mean he deserves a vote over anyone else who also qualified – especially players who accomplished much more.

    For Americans who starred in MLS but failed to make a mark for the US national team…frankly, that’s a tougher position. There’s a reasonable assumption that an American Hall of Fame player should have been one of the best American players. So what to do with Onstad’s contemporaries, Kevin Hartman and Joe Cannon? (And, down the road, Nick Rimando?) Their MLS achievements were, and remain, hugely impressive. But they didn’t go to Europe, and they failed to unseat Friedel, Keller or Howard.

    Or field players like Jeff Cunningham, Chris Armas, Jason Kreis, Taylor Twellman, Ante Razov, Danny Califf, Ben Olsen, Pablo Mastroeni and Steve Ralston? You would think players who put themselves in the MLS record book deserve lasting recognition, but if you do think that, you can also join me in thinking why other people apparently don’t think like us.

    There is now enough of a pileup that choosing who to include and who to leave off is, as the saying goes, angels dancing with pinheads. Why is Josh Wolff a better choice than Brian Ching, while both are inferior to Steve Ralston (if that happens to be your opinion)?

    Well, I asked my old pal Alexander the Great how you cut through problems like this. He asked me how annoying it is that, especially in mainstream American sports Halls of Fame, deserving players are “made to wait.”

    I really want to vote for Kevin Hartman. He played in 465 games, for Pete’s sake. He was the first keeper to win more than one MLS Cup. (And the first keeper to lose more than one MLS Cup.) Nick Rimando has eclipsed most of his records, but most of Steve Ralston’s records were broken too, and I’m still voting for him. To me, it doesn’t make a lot of sense to try to tell the story of MLS, and American soccer, while leaving him off.

    But Armas and Kreis are in their last year of eligibility, while Hartman is new to the ballot. I’m pretty sure I’ll have other chances to vote for Kevin Hartman. I won’t have another chance to vote for Armas or Kreis. What if mine was the one vote that kept either of them out of the Hall? Because I liked Hartman more? I couldn’t live with myself.

    ….I could also hold back Cherundolo to make room for Hartman (or, conceivably, Ante Razov, who has only this year and next before being thrown on the mercy of the Veterans), but now we’re dangerously close to not voting for someone because “they’re a Hall of Famer, but not a first ballot Hall of Famer.” I haven’t heard a soccer Hall voter trot that one out, and I hope I never will.
     
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Who was the best international player in MLS history?

  1. Marco Etcheverry

    12 vote(s)
    24.0%
  2. Carlos Valderrama

    1 vote(s)
    2.0%
  3. Jaime Moreno

    14 vote(s)
    28.0%
  4. Thierry Henry

    2 vote(s)
    4.0%
  5. Mauricio Cienfuegos

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. Leonel Alvarez

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. Roberto Donadoni

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. Hristo Stoitchkov

    1 vote(s)
    2.0%
  9. Carlos Ruiz

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  10. Robbie Keane

    7 vote(s)
    14.0%
  11. Shalrie Joseph

    2 vote(s)
    4.0%
  12. Peter Nowak

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  13. Lubos Kubik

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  14. Stern John

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  15. Mamadou Diallo

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  16. Sebastian Giovinco

    1 vote(s)
    2.0%
  17. Guillermo Barros Schelotto

    3 vote(s)
    6.0%
  18. Jamison Olave

    2 vote(s)
    4.0%
  19. Oscar Pareja

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  20. Dwayne De Rosario

    5 vote(s)
    10.0%

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Discussion in 'Articles' started by Dan Loney, May 26, 2017.

    1. AndyMead

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      Thoughts on the 2017 National Soccer Hall of Fame ballot

      By Dan Loney on May 26, 2017 at 2:43 PM
      I've never called for an MLS Hall of Fame, but I have said that if the NSHOF can't figure out how to get players inducted based solely on their MLS career then MLS will eventually create its own HOF and likely include wings of "pre-MLS" players and "women's players" and basically take over the business domestically and those red jackets of the NSHOF will eventually become trivia questions.
       
    2. AndyMead

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      Thoughts on the 2017 National Soccer Hall of Fame ballot

      By Dan Loney on May 26, 2017 at 2:43 PM
      For the record, I can't remember my ballot last year by I did find a note reading

      cunningham
      scurry
      moreno
      *millie
      *chastain
      ralston

      I know I voted those, but possibly others. I usually keep scrupulous notes, but I changed laptops last Spring. I usually vote for 7 or 8 players. And I don't believe in holding someone out to keep them from being a "first ballot HOFamer". You either deserve to be in or don't.
       
    3. Beau Dure

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      Thoughts on the 2017 National Soccer Hall of Fame ballot

      By Dan Loney on May 26, 2017 at 2:43 PM
      You wrote this whole thing and the poll without mentioning a certain former Galaxy player who's on the ballot this year?
       
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    4. JasonMa

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      Thoughts on the 2017 National Soccer Hall of Fame ballot

      By Dan Loney on May 26, 2017 at 2:43 PM
      Armas (66 caps) and Mastroeni (65) don't seem to belong in the same list of career MLSers that failed to make a mark on the national team as Olsen (37), Ralston (36), Twellman (30), Razov (25), Califf (23), and Kreis (14).
       
    5. Dan Loney

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      Thoughts on the 2017 National Soccer Hall of Fame ballot

      By Dan Loney on May 26, 2017 at 2:43 PM
      No, I mentioned Mastroeni.
       
    6. Dan Loney

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      Thoughts on the 2017 National Soccer Hall of Fame ballot

      By Dan Loney on May 26, 2017 at 2:43 PM
      Wait, you meant #23 for the Galaxy, helped us win a title? I mentioned Califf.
       
    7. Roger Allaway

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      Thoughts on the 2017 National Soccer Hall of Fame ballot

      By Dan Loney on May 26, 2017 at 2:43 PM
      In my book, Cherundolo is a no-brainer. However, I've thought the same thing about Scurry the last few years and the voters haven't agreed with me.
       
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    8. AndyMead

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      Thoughts on the 2017 National Soccer Hall of Fame ballot

      By Dan Loney on May 26, 2017 at 2:43 PM
      Thank you for removing the "2004 WUSA Season" from the eligibility calculations.
       
    9. Roger Allaway

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      By Dan Loney on May 26, 2017 at 2:43 PM
      You're welcome.

      We inserted that in 2004 when there was a thought that WUSA might resume in 2005 and we thought the continuity of giving credit to people who played in the 2004 festivals was appropriate. Once we realized that the resumption wasn't happening, we should have taken it out right away, but we didn't until 2013. No one ever made the ballot because of that who wouldn't have without it, but two people (Sissi and Sharolta Nonen) would have in 2013 if we had not removed it when we did.
       
    10. AndyMead

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      Thoughts on the 2017 National Soccer Hall of Fame ballot

      By Dan Loney on May 26, 2017 at 2:43 PM
      But the current Player ballot electorate doesn't seem to be interested in anyone with a USNT career, so no harm done. Eh?
       
    11. Dan Loney

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      Thoughts on the 2017 National Soccer Hall of Fame ballot

      By Dan Loney on May 26, 2017 at 2:43 PM
      I would have cheerfully voted for Sissi. But I'll vote for almost anyone.
       
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    12. AndyMead

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      Thoughts on the 2017 National Soccer Hall of Fame ballot

      By Dan Loney on May 26, 2017 at 2:43 PM
      I was at the greatest soccer doubleheader ever played. The Brazil/Nigeria USA/Germany WWC99 quarterfinal doubleheader at Fedex Field. Both games were operatic with twists and turns and greatness. Sissi was the highlight of the day. (I would've voted for Sissi, too).



      Sharolta Nonen was one of my favorite WUSA players despite being an Atlanta Beat player. Germany was all-conquering, but it's a good thing they didn't have to play Canada in 2003. Nonen was Prinz's kryptonite. Birgit was dominant, but a bit, shall we say, soft. She really didn't like the banging and physical contact. When the Courage and Beat played, Nonen would completely take Prinz out of the game by essentially trying to share the same pair of shorts. A brilliant player. It was pleased to hear her on the call of an NWSL game last week. Good to see she's still in the game.
       
    13. dundee9

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      Thoughts on the 2017 National Soccer Hall of Fame ballot

      By Dan Loney on May 26, 2017 at 2:43 PM
      Yes , I have some thoughts. You f'ckin cares?

      A group of subpar players (when compared to the best the world has offered) that get to be referred to as hall of famers ( only in American media. The global soccer world does not attach Hall of Famer to the beginning of anyone's name)

      The USSF shouldn't spend 50 cents on this silliness. If a league wants to have their own "hall of fame" then go for it.
       
    14. Revolusean

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      Thoughts on the 2017 National Soccer Hall of Fame ballot

      By Dan Loney on May 26, 2017 at 2:43 PM
      I agree that the voters don't think very highly of anyone's MLS career despite it being the Division 1 league in the US for 22 seasons now. Not at all like how ASL and NASL careers were a big part of past voting.

      I find it interesting that out of MLS's top 15 all-time leading goalscorers, NONE of them are in the hall of fame. Now, some aren't eligible because they are still active (e.g. Wondolowski, Kamara) or too recently retired (e.g. Donovan, DeRosario). But Cunningham, Moreno, Razov, Kreis, Twellman, Buddle, Lassiter, Ching, Diaz Arce that's a lot of goals to shut out
       
    15. Kit

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      Thoughts on the 2017 National Soccer Hall of Fame ballot

      By Dan Loney on May 26, 2017 at 2:43 PM
      I don't listen to the podcast, but why would MLS need its own HOF. I was at the National Baseball HOF over the weekend, and they induct players from all forms of baseball: MLB, the Negro Leagues, and I believe I saw the plaque for a women from the 1940s/50s AAGPBL. The Natinal Basketball HOF does the same thing. They induct NBA, college, and women's figures into their hall.
       
    16. AndyMead

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      Thoughts on the 2017 National Soccer Hall of Fame ballot

      By Dan Loney on May 26, 2017 at 2:43 PM
      Preki isn't a top-15 scorer? Damn. I guess I haven't been paying attention.
       
    17. AndyMead

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      Thoughts on the 2017 National Soccer Hall of Fame ballot

      By Dan Loney on May 26, 2017 at 2:43 PM
      It currently doesn't. But if the voters for the NSHOF continue the trend of not electing any players based solely on their MLS playing career, things my change.
       
    18. Dan Loney

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      By Dan Loney on May 26, 2017 at 2:43 PM
      lol triggered
       
    19. Dan Loney

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      By Dan Loney on May 26, 2017 at 2:43 PM
      Oops, let me actually respond. Right now, Armas at least is in the category of those who didn't make a mark on the national team, and apparently Hejduk is in the same boat.

      It's weird. Preki only had 28 caps, and I think we all kind of have the same opinion on Agoos' USMNT career. They took forever to get in, granted.

      I was being a little unfair to Mastroeni's national team career, but my thinking was this: it's not quite as impressive as Cherundolo's; I think Cherundolo will have trouble getting in; therefore so will Mastroeni.
       
    20. xbhaskarx

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      Thoughts on the 2017 National Soccer Hall of Fame ballot

      By Dan Loney on May 26, 2017 at 2:43 PM
      Perhaps there should be a separate MLS Hall of Fame, because where else would play
      ers like Cunningham / Ralston/ Twellman / Kreis go? If you put them in the current Hall of Fame, doesn't that make anyone who was a decent contributor with the USMNT is a lock inductee? How do you keep out guys like Jones and even Bedoya, who will likely finish with 75-100 caps? Not that number of caps should be the sole factor, but which retired player has the most caps without being in serious HoF consideration?

      The comment directly above yours answers your question:

      Can you think of any other Hall of Fame where that's the case for the first division league?
       
    21. Dan Loney

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      By Dan Loney on May 26, 2017 at 2:43 PM
      To the Wikipedia!

      Assuming Cherundolo gets in this year and Bocanegra gets in next year - and nothing is promised - the lowest number of caps without a red jacket so far is Hejduk's 85. The highest number of caps for a player who is getting, as far as I can tell, no Hall love is Eddie Lewis, at 82.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_men's_national_soccer_team_player_statistics

      Funny you should mention 75-100, because the difference between 75 and 85 is as stark as Archie. The voters resolutely ignored Desmond Armstrong, who got 81 caps long before it was fashionable, until Armstrong was rescued by the Veterans. The Vets have not yet done the same for Chris Henderson (79 caps) and Mike Burns (75 caps, most of which weren't actually THAT terrifying). So Gooch and Jermaine will probably finish in no man's land. And Bedoya, barring a career renaissance, will get as much attention as Jovan Kirovski and his 62 caps.

      Preki is in the Hall with 28 caps, but I choose to believe his MLS and indoor career carried his candidacy, because that is an extreme outlier among modern players.

      Precedent carries weight, but then, so do the people who set the records as opposed to just matching them. I'm putting Steve Ralston in (well, obviously I'm not, but I would) because he retired as the MLS assist leader. I'm not putting in everyone who ends up with more assists.

      Basically, I'm trying not to make a vote that I can't defend, and I'm sure every...well, most voters feel the same. But it's voodoo.
       
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    22. AndyMead

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      Thoughts on the 2017 National Soccer Hall of Fame ballot

      By Dan Loney on May 26, 2017 at 2:43 PM
      And to add to Dan's point, it's worth it to point out the following. In the year that no player candidates got enough to get elected, Preki had the highest total. Well above Jeff Agoos.

      The following year they slashed the minimum required to gain election and Agoos rocketed past Preki, who had to wait another year.

      Arguably Preki - the only two-time MVP winner in league history - is the only player to earn a red jacket based primarily on his MLS career. But even then he does have some MNT career (all occuring at a later age than Landon Donovan was at his retirement) including the notable goal in the win over Brazil. Plus he had one of the greatest indoor careers ever. And while it is impossible to get on the ballot based on any indoor playing achievements (Sorry, Tattoo), that didn't keep the NSHOF from highlighting it in his bio or bringing it up during his induction. (We all dabble in hypocrisy now and then). But Preki is definitely a complicated character from the shoulder period in MLS history. He was older in his first game in 1996 than Landon Donovan was when Donovan first retired from MLS, yet he played ten seasons, won two MVPs, and joined the MNT. It's also why I chuckle every time someone says "retirement league" when a 32 year-old joins MLS.

      But a more clear-cut non-MNT case would be Jaime Moreno. Moreno has never come remotely close to induction. I've had a member of the HoF (all player inductees get a ballot) tell me straight out that they can't vote for anyone who didn't represent the USNT.
       
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      Thoughts on the 2017 National Soccer Hall of Fame ballot

      By Dan Loney on May 26, 2017 at 2:43 PM
      Does my getting blocked by Ted Westervelt on Twitter after just 2.5 days count for anything?

      No disrespect to legit inductees/candidates of course.
       
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    24. AndyMead

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      By Dan Loney on May 26, 2017 at 2:43 PM
      I believe it is one of the requirements of the Colin Jose Media Award.
       
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