The future is....

Discussion in 'Philadelphia Union' started by ScottyMac26, May 13, 2017.

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I've heard from Jay, Earnie, Tim, Chris, Chief Tattoist and I think we -

Poll closed May 20, 2017.
  1. Are definitely, finally, on the right path.

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  2. Are headed in the right direction, but I need to see more

    25 vote(s)
    54.3%
  3. Are making the wrong emphasis on youth and philosophically opposed

    9 vote(s)
    19.6%
  4. Couldn't find our ass with two hands and a Rand McNally atlas. Chivas East tees please.

    12 vote(s)
    26.1%
  1. celt1997

    celt1997 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 31, 2006
    Philly Burbs
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If what we are hearing is going to be the prevailing attitude, then I will have a conversation with my rep about whether or not I will continue to be a season ticket holder.

    I want a team that is going to win. I'm not going to apologize for wanting to see them win as much as possible. If Earnie doesn't want me there because of that opinion, then that is what I'll tell my rep. It's Earnie's suggestion, not mine.

    I don't put down my hard-earned money to watch a "feel good" story emerge over the course of several seasons...I can go to the movies and do that at a fraction of the cost and a fraction of my time spent.

    Again, I'm not going to apologize for feeling this way. I understand that we can't spend as much as other teams, but that doesn't mean we can't put together a nicely balanced squad of vets & new players, filling in the holes as we need them that will win more than 3 times in nearly 300 days.

    Earnie's smug routine is starting to wear thin REALLY fast.
     
  2. drewuke

    drewuke Member+

    Jul 19, 2012
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
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  3. Starpork

    Starpork Member+

    Nov 12, 2013
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    It's wrong in the context of MLS (and US sports in general), where parity and salary cap structure is a really meaningful part of the structure. If you're Everton, you can point at the perennial top 6 teams and make a reasonable case that finishing mid-table is perfectly fine given that you're totally out-resourced by other teams. If you run the Cleveland Browns, there's no excuse because the entire league has been structured to be competitive. MLS is kind of a gray area because of the DP rule, but that only affects the salary cap for three players at the end of the day.
     
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  4. Dills

    Dills Moderator
    Staff Member

    Philadelphia Union
    United States
    Jun 6, 2006
    Southampton|PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    [​IMG]
     
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  5. Phillyspur

    Phillyspur Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    England
    Mar 18, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Excellent point and in other words, a perennial lack of competitiveness is what's unacceptable to us. In a league where half the teams get to the playoffs, getting there (barely) 2 times out of 7 and then quickly striking out ain't good enough. I was bemused by Stewart's lack of understanding that we'd suffered most of this before him, but at least he publicly recognized it now.

    I like the fact that in MLS (unlike Euro leagues) it's not just one of the same 2 or 3 teams who will be champions any given year. So we don't need or expect dominance, to use celt's word, we just want to be competitive.
     
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  6. LuckyStriker

    LuckyStriker Member+

    Favorite club? a German one..........
    Apr 14, 2010
    in exile-Statute of Limitations yet to expire
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    :laugh:
     
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  7. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    MLS is setup as a parity driven league, and as such it's very difficult to have sustained dominance for more then a couple of season's in a row. Especially now, with the growth of the league (number of teams increasing). Teams dominating for more then 2-3 years in a row will become less common. I do agree that the Union need to become competitive on a yearly basis though.

    The model they are trying to implement should help them compete year in, and year out. RBNY and FC Dallas are already having success with this model. Sporting KC is attempting to do the same thing as well.

    SKC and FCD weren't exactly overnight successes either.
     
  8. ScottyMac26

    ScottyMac26 Member+

    Jan 13, 2012
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    I hate cherry picking comments, but when? When do the competitive years start?

    As for the SKC comment. This is a false equivalency Jay. Because those two teams took a while to succeed it will take a while for us to as well? SKC rebranded in 2010 and won the Cup in 2013. Not overnight, but three years ain't bad.
    Read this http://www.kansascity.com/sports/mls/sporting-kc/article64253682.html to highlight the difference between Earnie's comments and Heinemanns philosophy. "
    Sporting KC says championships are the benchmark for success"

    Not, don't come if you're expecting us to win. Or we're not necessarily looking for good players. Or if you're not at practice don't criticize. But we measure success by championships.
    [​IMG]
     
  9. OwlSaver

    OwlSaver Member+

    Jan 26, 2005
    Berwyn, PA (127, J)
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I love Oldham Athletic and watch them whenever I can - primarily FA Cup matches. I had no idea they were ever in the Premier League. You learn something new every day.
     
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  10. thomas19064

    thomas19064 Member+

    Apr 29, 2008
    Delco
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Great post, but this is all I needed.
     
  11. Dills

    Dills Moderator
    Staff Member

    Philadelphia Union
    United States
    Jun 6, 2006
    Southampton|PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    See Galaxy, Los Angeles and Lake, Real Salt.
     
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  12. Cherry Hill SOB

    Cherry Hill SOB Member+

    Aug 30, 2012
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Who are teams with winning records. Next Alex, I'll take "Things the Philadelphia Union are Not" for 200
     
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  13. breslinp

    breslinp Member+

    Jan 20, 2010
    Malvern, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Are headed in the right direction, but I need to see more
    24 vote(s)
    53.3%

    All it takes is 2 wins to get that Reddit Positivity in here!!
     
  14. CallMeMed

    CallMeMed Member

    Mar 29, 2010
    137
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ha! Was referring to Sheffield Wednesday.

    One thing more on topic - What Earnie said was that if you go to the matches expecting them to win every time, don't come. He's right. This is a parity driven league and no team wins every time. He at no point said we shouldn't expect them to win.
     
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  15. Phillyspur

    Phillyspur Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    England
    Mar 18, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    At least it's not the kind of uncritical parroting of the party line we saw on PSP yesterday (coupled with the defensive "Are you a real fan" subtext).

    This thread proves that people here care about the team and are hopeful, but haven't abandoned their critical thinking skills and are ready to hold the FO to account.
     
  16. Boyertown2003

    Boyertown2003 Member

    Jul 21, 2009
    Philadelphia
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You play to win the game. This ain't intramurals brotha
     
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  17. Dills

    Dills Moderator
    Staff Member

    Philadelphia Union
    United States
    Jun 6, 2006
    Southampton|PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My point is once dominant teams - i.e. ones with "sustained dominance" to use your terminology - are now not doing so well. Their 2017 records are 3-5-2 (LAG, 11 points) and 2-7-2 (RSL, 8 points) ... compared to the Union's 2-4-4 (and 10 points) to-date in 2017.
     
  18. Mad Hattah

    Mad Hattah Member

    Jun 7, 2000
    North Florida
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not saying I want us to be a mid-table EPL team, I was just giving some examples to our Union brethren.
     
  19. thomas19064

    thomas19064 Member+

    Apr 29, 2008
    Delco
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Union have sustained BEING dominated.... that should count for something right?
     
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  20. ScottyMac26

    ScottyMac26 Member+

    Jan 13, 2012
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Anyone want to change their response?
     
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  21. EdBacon

    EdBacon Member+

    Apr 6, 2015
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    We need a new poll.
     
  22. BuddhaWake

    BuddhaWake Member+

    Aug 13, 2010
    Philadelphia
    I'm ordering my Chivas East tee to have for x-mas. I don't know the rest of you.
     
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  23. drewuke

    drewuke Member+

    Jul 19, 2012
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Proud to be against the spin from beginning!
     
  24. Dills

    Dills Moderator
    Staff Member

    Philadelphia Union
    United States
    Jun 6, 2006
    Southampton|PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I want a new drug.
     
  25. LuckyStriker

    LuckyStriker Member+

    Favorite club? a German one..........
    Apr 14, 2010
    in exile-Statute of Limitations yet to expire
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    one with no doubt.
    One that won't let me talk too much-
    or make my face break out..........
     

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