The things we hear returns

Discussion in 'Referee' started by Law5, Mar 17, 2014.

  1. Dayton Ref

    Dayton Ref Member+

    May 3, 2012
    Houston, TX
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    I think my favorite response on the sideline after a coach is complaining about a handling no call. "We're both 60 yards away and it looked like it hit the knee to me."
     
  2. Bubba Atlanta

    Bubba Atlanta Member+

    Mar 2, 2012
    Yep, Atlanta
    Club:
    Atlanta United FC
    That's when I say "Coach, we've already established that I can't see what's happening right in front of me. Now you want me to second-guess a call 60 yards away?"
     
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  3. refontherun

    refontherun Member+

    Jul 14, 2005
    Georgia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I was AR on a U14 Coed game last night. Blue was awarded a corner kick on my side. I saw the ball curve slightly away from the goal line, and back in toward the goal. The ball hit the ground inside the goal and bounced out again. I raised my flag, waited for the whistle, and sprinted a few yards toward mid-field. Both the white team coaches were going ballistic saying it was impossible for the ball to bounce like that. I told them, "My responsibility is to determine whether the ball completely crossed the goal line in the goal. Not to determine what caused the ball to come out".
     
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  4. Kit

    Kit Member+

    Aug 30, 1999
    Herkimer, NY, USA
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    [QUOTE="Ickshter, post: 35348000, member: 238897"Now here is his major flaw. What if the keepers hand is on the ball outside the PA. The ball may still be inside the PA though. So let's say 70% of the ball is outside the PA line, keeper touches that 70% with his hand. He is telling me that should be a DFK for handling outside the PA.[/QUOTE]

    Both the ball has to be 100% outside the PA before I would even consider calling handling. As long as some part of the ball is still touching the PA line, it is in the PA as far as I'm concerned. Anything else would be trifling.
     
  5. Schlager

    Schlager Member

    Dec 5, 2016
    As far as you are concerned and as far as the LOTG are concerned too.

    I don't want to beat this dead horse, but if the ball is touching the line, it is not trifling....it is in the PA according to the LOTG.
     
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  6. Ickshter

    Ickshter Member+

    Manchester City
    Mar 14, 2014
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yea, I think that is the consensus around here and I hope I was able to at least get that person thinking that. He never replied after I told him he was going to have a bad time if he would try to explain that a GK's hand was outside the PA even though the ball was technically not. :rolleyes:
     
  7. Pittsburgh Ref

    Pittsburgh Ref Member+

    Oct 7, 2014
    da 'Burgh
    What do you get when you cross Heisenberg with Schroedinger?

    A referee.
     
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  8. jayhonk

    jayhonk Member+

    Oct 9, 2007
    "Don't even go there!"

    So, I am running the center of a medium-low skill Girls Varsity game. 2 or 3 skilled players on each team. Better team is up 1-zip, but not able to expand the lead.

    Half way through the second half, lesser team is attacking with the ball outside one corner of the 18. I am behind the ball in good position. She crosses a high ball toward the other side of the penalty area. As the ball comes down, a player crosses just in front of my vision, which is unfortunate, since now most of the attacking team are shouting some version of handball! When the ball came down, a defender tried to chest the ball and it either crawled up her arm, hit her bicep, or she reached up and smacked it. I have no idea. I get my AR in my view and I guess he thought I must have seen it--no signal. After a few touches and about 5 seconds or so, the ball goes out of bounds. The attacking team is still grumbling and since I am curious as to what happened, I decide to run over to my AR and see if we missed a PK or DFK at the 18 or what...

    As I get to the AR, an experienced guy who has been around the block more than once, I am not even able to get out the words What did I miss, when he declares definitively, "Don't even go there." Well, I might be an average referee, but I know good advice when I hear it. So now I remember an old trick that I haven't used for several years, and I tell him, "OK, just shake your head no." He gives a wry smile and goes along, shakes his head and I give a quick nod.

    I run to position, whistle the throw in and we play. The shocking result, no player or coach said another word about it. (Whatever it was.)
     
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  9. wh1s+1eR

    wh1s+1eR Member

    Apr 23, 2017
    This is indeed profound!

    You mean the referee is the apotheosis, in this case, clarifying the muddle, the uncertainty, perceived by the other 22 on the field, and several others beyond, and obtains specific focus with a blast of his whistle and a raise of his hand.

    Now, my brain in just buzzing, I used to be concerned about the tabby's viewpoint. No more. I am going to use this instead of "Physics 101" (that mass and momentum transfer situation).
     
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  10. Spencedawgmillionaire

    Mar 2, 2017
    Belleville, ILLLLLLLLINOIZE
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    I can't remember what I was talking to some sideline parents about that led to this comment, I really wish I could, but while AR on that side, I spent most of this match on the half line, so we chatted, joked and I explained rules to people, a nice group of parents. Someone said something along the lines of "I wish all refs were like you guys, you have personalities."

    ME: A few of us do, but the important thing to remember is that we all took a course to learn HOW to be sociopaths. It's a tough balance.

    They had a good laugh. Nothing better than chill parents.
     
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  11. Ickshter

    Ickshter Member+

    Manchester City
    Mar 14, 2014
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Had pretty much the opposite happen to me on Tuesday. HS V G. two above average teams. I have one AR that I have worked with before, good guy. Other I had coached when he was in HS (he is 22 now) He shows up shirt untucked, no patch (didn't know where it was) black and white shorts and his neon yellow boots. *sigh* I go through as much pregame with him as I could, it was also 45° and raining the whole game. first 2 minutes of the game play is between me and AR2 (yellow boot). Cross comes in and a defender jumps and turns away from incoming cross. Ball hits some part of her body and is shortly collected by GK. attacking team is calling handball, I could see half the defenders back and she was shielding me from where the ball hit. I look to the AR who is still about 10 yards up field. He isn't giving me any signal and I am not calling it. I would assume he had the perfect angle and just let it go. Half time I ask him about it and he had no idea which play I was talking about *double sigh* I spent half the game motioning him to get back to 2LD. Luckily he didn't need called on too much besides OOB calls, team that thought they should've had a handling ends up winning 2-0. Never stopped raining. Oh but at least today it is 35° and snowing for another Girls game.... :mad:
     
  12. uws22

    uws22 Member

    Celtic
    Sep 8, 2012
    Wisconsin
    Club:
    Celtic FC
    HS GV last night, kick off temp was 41. As I handed the ball off to a red player to start the match, one of her teammates says "man, I should not have shaved my legs today, I could have used the extra warmth." o_O
     
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  13. Ickshter

    Ickshter Member+

    Manchester City
    Mar 14, 2014
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Wow you had a balmy 41°. It was 34° at our kickoff in Western WI yesterday. HS GV game Div 3, and home coach doesn't even belong THAT high up. His favorite things to say are "boot it" and making the most difficult choice over which of his players should take EVERY throw in that happens... Anywho, I am AR1 so I get to listen to him all game long. His team gets a DFK, he yells for Lisa to take it, she runs up and misshits the ball, goes about 3 yards. I here him yelling to the kicker "BOOT IT LISA! BOOT IT!!" which she does, again, CR whistles for the double touch, next words form the coach: "You can't do that Lisa..." I little quieter though.
     
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  14. uws22

    uws22 Member

    Celtic
    Sep 8, 2012
    Wisconsin
    Club:
    Celtic FC
    @Ickshter - I've had a few of your area teams during playoffs. Not the craziest thing I've heard from them.
     
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  15. SccrDon

    SccrDon Member+

    Dec 4, 2001
    Colorado Springs
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But, but...doesn't Law 20 say referees are responsible for Physics?
     
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  16. wh1s+1eR

    wh1s+1eR Member

    Apr 23, 2017
    During one futsal match, mixed (men, women) and facility's top division, at one kick-in, a man player get ready to kick, count is already 3, his kicking foot trap into netting behind, and he fall on ball. Count 4 = Whistle - PEEP. kick in to opponent, who put ball in play at count 2. The player and netting finally separate and player return to his half. His team leading 2-1. In next minute, his goal-keeper has clearance to make, now bend to tie shoe lace. Count at 3, he still not clear ball. 4 = Peep. Indirect kick at top of his arc, and the nonsence about 5m setting; opponent not score. A few seconds later half-time buzzer ring. The netting man come to me while I try to get quick water in-and-out "ref, why turn over? I got trapped." I tell him "4 seconds, remember. You no put ball in play, the other team get to put. Simple. They did. And then your goalie tie his lace?" This is rec, not world cup. Have some humanity, netting man say to me. I smile, more like grimace, water out necessary. You play like world cup same tactics. What I tell other team when they ask 4 seconds gone? Why is their fault you and netting mix-up? You play how many years here? And now you talk humanity to me. I just referee. Half-time over buzzer start. So no water out, no water in. And now I realise, no humanity also.

    If anyone else hear such? Yes. Then I write here, or-else write into best story topic.
     
  17. Doug the Ref

    Doug the Ref Member

    Dec 6, 2005
    St. Louis
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Last night, VG. I call a foul about 35 yards out. Most defenders and attackers are lining up at the 18. All of a sudden 2 forwards come back to make a "wall". The both stop about 2 yards from the ball. I hit the whistle very hard and scream to them to "Get outa there!" 2 players retreat and continue almost back to with the others at the 18. Ball is sent in and goes out for a goal kick. Coach hollers out to his players, "Hey girls, next time, don't set up 2 yards from the ball, but you don't have to go back 20 yards either."
     
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  18. threeputzzz

    threeputzzz Member+

    May 27, 2009
    Minnesota
    U17 girls classic 1 a couple nights ago, first game of season for both teams so their first time playing 45 minute halves. Set a new personal record of 28 minutes for the answer to "Ref, how much time left?".
     
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  19. Law5

    Law5 Member+

    Mar 24, 2005
    Beaverton OR
    Years ago, PDL decided that they would play 30 minute halves, but the clock would stop every time the ball crossed a boundary line and not restart until the ball was put back into play. Guys were running around with their tongues hanging out, asking "How much time is left, ref?" "What? We're only 10 minutes in!" Most halves were lasting roughly 60 minutes by standard time keeping standards.
     
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  20. RefGil

    RefGil Member

    Dec 10, 2010
    Good one last night. Red scores on White.

    White defender, to keeper: "Come on, Keeper!"
    White keeper, to defender: "Come on, my ass"
    Me, to both: "Um, you might want to re-phrase that, keep"
     
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  21. mathguy ref

    mathguy ref Member+

    Nov 15, 2016
    TX
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Adult league last night, 2 good fast teams. It was a clean match; might have whistled 3 fouls. Afterwards a player from the losing side comes up and takes his thumbnail sized shin guard out of his sock to show me marks on his shin and complain about some kick I missed. I suggested he get bigger shin guards.
     
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  22. Law5

    Law5 Member+

    Mar 24, 2005
    Beaverton OR
    Which reminds me of the Celtic player, I believe in the 19th century, who was whacked badly in the shin. It was in the press and everybody knew that he'd been hurt. The next week, he appears wearing something like we would call a shin guard, on one leg. Of course, the opposition teed off on that leg. What they didn't know is that he'd put it on the leg that hadn't been injured, so that one would draw the inevitable whacks and not the one that was actually hurt!
     
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  23. Spencedawgmillionaire

    Mar 2, 2017
    Belleville, ILLLLLLLLINOIZE
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    U10 match this weekend. One of many, and the parents of this particular match are very verbal, calling every OOB for me, calling every phantom handball for me, really helpful folks. To their credit, their not obnoxious about it somehow.

    So, player on white passes to another player on white who's a good 8 yards beyond any other field player. Mom screams "She's offsides, SHE"S OFFSIDES! Come on!"
    The girl takes a touch and shoots wide right of goal. I blow for goal kick and turn toward the sideline and say very nicely "Ma'am, I'm sorry, there's no offside in this age group, but if there was, then boy howdy, was she offside!"
    She hangs her head in shame and says "I know, everyone over here just told me."
    "Happy Mother's Day!"
    "yeah, thanks."
     
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  24. SparkeyG

    SparkeyG Member

    Feb 25, 2002
    Mokena, IL
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    U19B match yesterday. I'm AR1. During his pre-game the CR explains his philosophy on handling and how he doesn't call it too often. Explaining about ball to hand, etc etc. He commences to call 4 very obvious hand to ball calls during the game. Afterwards he says he hasn't called that many in years....
     
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  25. jdmahoney

    jdmahoney Member

    Feb 28, 2017
    Plymouth, MN
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Reffed a U11 game today where all one of the coaches did was yell, "Go, Strikers, go!" for 60 minutes.

    SMH.
     

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