Brazil expectations after 2014 - odds / opinions

Discussion in 'Brazil' started by Markweiser, Apr 2, 2017.

  1. Markweiser

    Markweiser Member

    Mar 25, 2017
    Tentative to centralize opinions and facts regarding post-Mineiraço.

    Brazil has been hyped as top 2 favorites for World Cup 2018.
    As everybody knows, odds always favors Brazil due to historical impact, however, should it be taken as a good opinion? Remember Brazil was pure favorite one day prior to World Cup 2014 first match and we all saw what happened.

    Top 5 for now by Oddschecker (Odd indexer) as of April 2nd 2017

    Germany - 6/1 (best odd: 4/1 by 1 house; worst odd: 11/2 by 4 houses)
    Brazil - 8/1 (best odd: 6/1 by 1 house; worst odd: 11/2 by 1 house)
    Spain - 10/1
    Argentina - 10/1 (with a best odd of 5/1 surpassing Brazil in 1 house)
    France - 11/1

    Reference https://m.oddschecker.com/m/football/world-cup/winner
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    What's your opinion?
     
  2. PMLF

    PMLF Member

    Jul 20, 2004
    Rio de Janeiro, Bra
    I think Brazil in theory is clear among the favorites but the team have been hyped a lot based on games against relative weak teams (bar Argentina). Brazil will also barely be tested against non-SA teams before the World Cup, so who knows how Brazil will perform against them.

    My guess is that Brazil reach the quarter-finals at least, perhaps the semis, but won't win the title.
     
  3. Kaka10725

    Kaka10725 Member+

    Jun 1, 2007
    In just about every World Cup there is about 6 out of 32 teams with a legitimate chances to win it. Brazil, Argentina, Germany, Italy, and nowadays you can include Spain and France. Brazil will be favorite regardless.

    I don't know how those SA teams are weak either. What did beating all those non SA team in friendlies done for us the last couple of years.
     
  4. IVO !

    IVO ! Member

    Feb 25, 2009
    RIO AND CHICAGO
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    "Weak teams"?
    Bullshit the entire post.
     
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  5. Markweiser

    Markweiser Member

    Mar 25, 2017
    You probably chose a terrible term for some truly respected football forces nowadays.
    Chile, Uruguay, Colombia all should be considered clone quality to a point of direct comparison with top 10 squads in Europe nowadays. Argentina out of question.
    Remember these "underdogs" will always play a world cup match investing total potential until their resistance collapse, just like Turkey back in 2002, which will make them way harder than what they are already are.
    They do struggle a lot when missing key players, but who doesn't?
     
  6. Kaka10725

    Kaka10725 Member+

    Jun 1, 2007
    If Brazil was struggling to beat those teams, it would of been "our past Brazil teams did this and that, this generations sucks. Now, that we are steamrolling them they are weak. So, what do you want Brazil to do?
     
  7. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    Final four at least.
     
  8. old_carioca_in_nyc

    Jan 26, 2007
    It is too early to assign odds at this time - many things can happen in 2 years
     
  9. PMLF

    PMLF Member

    Jul 20, 2004
    Rio de Janeiro, Bra
    #9 PMLF, Apr 8, 2017
    Last edited: Apr 8, 2017
    'Relative'' weak teams, Argentina aside, the others are quarter-finals material at best, like say Belgium. they can do better than that if the ties in the playoffs favor them but there are a few teams like Argentina, Brazil, Spain, Germany, France, Italy and probably Portugal who are better than them, in theory.

    Maybe that was too harsh on them but the fact is Brazil hasn't been tested against top teams yet (bar Argentina), although I think Brazil will do well against them (if Brazil will win the title in the end or not tis a different matter).
     
  10. omajac

    omajac Member+

    Feb 9, 2002
    East Orange, New Jersey, USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    And that's now down to a year and 2 months!! And even I right now wouldn't try to predict Tite's final 23 in May of next year!!
     
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  11. Markweiser

    Markweiser Member

    Mar 25, 2017
    Just like Bolivian altitude wasn't ever mentioned as a factor for qualifyings pre WCQ 1994 (but everybody nowadays mention this as a de facto 'omg conmebol so harder than the rest to qualify')
     
  12. Kaka10725

    Kaka10725 Member+

    Jun 1, 2007
    The qualifying process was different pre 94. We could of went to a qualifiers and not have to play a Argentina for example.
     
  13. omajac

    omajac Member+

    Feb 9, 2002
    East Orange, New Jersey, USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I like the 2 groups of 5 in WCQ's much better!!
     
  14. Kevin_405

    Kevin_405 Member

    Jul 30, 2012
    The problem for brazil is that the European style is very different than the south american style. We will need to beat atleast 2 of the top European sides in elimination to win the cup. That would need exp against European sides which unfortunately we dont have.

    I dont expert trip past semi final considering the above.
     

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