The Trump Presidency :::

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I agree with the Danish politician from the system Bernie so admires that his use of the term is incorrect.

 

He cherry picks facts against prosperous and free societies that support his narrative that free market societies are bad.

 

Just tell me which part of what I said you would like me to support with citations to your own "mainstream" news sources and I will oblige!

 

so basically because South Korea hasn't descended into a state of martial law with violence in the streets etc there is nothing to be concerned about? The point I'm making is that public reactions to South Korean corruption is further evidence that various industrialised economies around the world are starting to show signs of strain. Trump, Le Pen in France, Syriza in Greece and so on. Corporate Democrats who cling on to the notion of the happy "status quo" are finished.

 

So your saying...

BERNIE supporters disgust with Trump is all theater

They see it as a chance to proclaim their right while all the values they claim to care about are destroyed but HRC didn't win and the Dems are the real problem, so they are happy.

<did I do it right?>

 

no I'm saying that Democrats starting with Bill Clinton started the process of destroying everything that they cared about but some Democrat voters are conflicted and only object and are active when a Republican is in the WH.

 

In the meantime, while I certainly hope the true perpetrators of all the disgusting and criminal acts in Syria face justice one day, where is the outrage and attention the daily carnage in Yemen? Aren't there enough pictures of innocent children being killed by American supplied bombs, in an American supported Saudi led coalition military action against one of the poorest countries in the world?

Selective outrage for crimes which the folks pretending the outrage are actually committing themselves (as we see in Syria) is truly an affront to human decency. It not only masks the crimes and shields those responsible for it, but lays the foundations for the kind of political climate that leaves any hope of a better world look like a distant and impossible dream!

 

coalition building is code for fall in line with Corporate Democrats. He is and has been very specific about what his "revolution" entails. Trump won the election because he focused in class-based politics, focusing on identity politics is a loser. Trump earned more Latin and Black votes than Romney. Sanders is quite right when he says that your policy positions are more important than the colour of your skin as a politician.

 

He was the architect of Third Way politics and his economic policies were right of centre.

 

time to get off your high-horse before it gets kicked out from under you

 

This meme

does not say this

Feels more like this

 

There are countless homeless people in this town who look more respectable than that guy.

 

So you won't be vacationing in Saudi Arabia anytime soon?

 

EDIT: It's hard to keep track because it was about 3 pages ago.

Re the last point in the meme.
The DNC wanted Trump as their electoral opponent whereas they actively undermined Sanders during the primary.

 

Look, Macedonia Frank, are the alleged WWC not an identity? Also HRC got more votes from people making less than 50K than Trump. He tapped into the people in Erie that want a wall built and believe Mexicans are taking their jobs though there is nare a Mexican in Erie.

So it is no rigging to have a preferred favorite in a draw? Ok!

 

You know it is possible to oppose Obama's foreign policy without resorting to magical thinking. I disagree with a lot of Obama's policies. But calling him a warmonger is dumb. It glosses over the fact that the American war machine is the biggest special interest group in the country. Far larger than anything a president can kill in 4-8 years. If you want to kill this special interest, you would need a pacifist wave to sweep across the population, and ultimately Congress, White House and ultimately the Pentagon. The bottom line is that the country is not there. For chrissakes they just elected Trump, who is an actual warmonger. If you want better results, find better citizens who are not so easily manipulated by terrorism.

Having said all that, let's take an objective look at Obama's record. Instead of magical thinking about how the world should be, let's look at things realistically. Let's concede all the negative things you say about his record. Libya, drones, etc ... etc ... But let's also look at :

Syria : I agree that he should never have flirted with the "moderate rebels". American history teaches us repeatedly that we should not flirt with an insurgency that is unlikely to succeed. Unless you're prepared to go all the way and take ownership to make sure it succeeds. Ultimately not attacking Assad was the correct decision. I see lots of people today Monday morning quarterbacking, but they have no evidence that the alternative would have been better. Again .. history teaches that when the US puts itself in the center of such a bloody civil war, it tends to make things even worse. The body count goes up, hatred of America goes up and the number of dead American soldiers goes up.

Iran : He spent an incredible amount of political capital on this, even going as far having the opposition party Senators openly undermining his peace policy. War with Iran would likely cost hundreds of thousands of lives. If Obama contributed in any way to avoid or at least postpone a war, in this case he lived up to his Nobel prize. He was willing to be bolder and go further than any Republican and many Democrats in order to bet on peace.

Israel/Palestine : Obama's boldest move yet in pursuit of peace is his refusal to veto the UN resolution. Again, he lived up to his Nobel prize here. He stood up to Likud's race to kill the two state solution. This is why "they all suck" equivalences are stupid. John McCain, Mitt Romney and Hillary Clinton would not have done this. Obama beat all three, and he did something radically different. He bet on a different vision of peace that tried to restore some sense of dignity and sovereignty to the Palestinian people who have been mostly abandoned by America for the last 50+ years.

Cuba : Again, so much political capital spent in pursuit of peace despite intense criticism.

Guantanamo : What Congress wouldn't do, he tried to do unilaterally through his presidential authority. Dozens of inmates either freed or transferred to other parties.

Iraq/Afghanistan : Not his wars. He never wanted them. Did the best he could with the shit he inherited.

So yeah ... you can throw your bothsidesdoit tantrum, or you can look at facts objectively and admit that Obama is a lot more complicated that just another warmonger. He took bigger risks to achieve peace, while he had a lot less political capital.

 

You do realize that Trump and his party have 100% power. It's perfectly appropriate for them to take up the majority of our attention.

Contrary to your temper tantrum, this forum has pretty diverse points of view on Democratic foreign policy. The fact that you don't engage on those conversations beyond shallow memes, doesn't mean they don't happen.

 

Trump unhappy at "President Bannon"! SMH!

If Bannon ever goes, this will be why — especially the highlighted bit. https://t.co/B9Diq4yYBD pic.twitter.com/d7hcQK29LP

— Eric Geller (@ericgeller) April 6, 2017

 

Trump smashed with whites w/o a college degree. If you think he won because the American electorate is racist than you are a fool.