Location of IFK and AR form

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  1. gtownkeeper

    gtownkeeper New Member

    Mar 17, 2013
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    With the updates to the offside interpretation, I was wanting some feedback regarding the location of the accompanying IFK, as well as proper form for an AR flagging for an offside infringement.

    As I understand it, the location for the IFK should be the location where the player infringed Law 11, either by becoming involved in active play or gaining an advantage/interfering with an opponent. If two attackers, one offside and one not, are racing onto a ball, it is my understanding that the requirements for a Law 11 infringement have not yet been met. If the offside attacker becomes involved in active play by contacting the ball and/or a defender, then there would be grounds to call offside, as I understand it. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

    In the above scenario, as an AR, when your location (because you were staying with the ball/2LD) is different that the location of the offside offense, what is the proper form for moving to the location of the IFK? Does one keep his/her flag raised while walking/jogging to the site? Does one raise the flag for offside, lower the flag, then arrive at the site and indicate near/far/middle? What is the correct form for an AR in this scenario? Has there been any guidance from authoritative bodies?

    Thanks for your help!
     
  2. cmonref

    cmonref Member

    Oct 16, 2016
    Stillwater
    Why would you jog to the site? The restart is where they became involved at, as long as you're keeping up with play you should already be at that location. Move to a stop, raise your flag for offside and then lower to the correct angle after the referee has blown his whistle.
     
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  3. fairplayforlife

    fairplayforlife Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Exactly this. We all are working to break the habit of stopping when we think we might have an offside offense. With the way the location is now there is no excuse not to keep running.

    I'm still working on it. :unsure:
     
  4. Pittsburgh Ref

    Pittsburgh Ref Member+

    Oct 7, 2014
    da 'Burgh
    The weird one is when the attacker goes back into his own half to receive a ball passed to him in an offside position. Haven't had this yet under the new Laws, which we are just now rolling out.
     
  5. fairplayforlife

    fairplayforlife Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I had this happen twice in my first game back, I had to assume my AR was trying to get me in trouble after it happened the second time.
     
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  6. Schlager

    Schlager Member

    Dec 5, 2016
    I agree with others, if play is going toward the goal, the offside position will be pretty darn close to the ball or the 2LD so the AR should be right there.

    But the OP's situation would more likely apply to any time the perp comes back from an offside position to an onside position to receive a pass. The AR stays the the 2LD, while the player in the OSP moves back up field, then you raise your flag once he becomes involved.

    I had this happen to me a couple of weeks ago, although the player didn't cross midfield. The player only went back by a couple of yards so I just took a couple of steps up field and lowered my flag. At first people, including the CR were looking at me a little weird, but I motioned with my free hand while saying, "He came back from an offside position" and everybody understood.

    I don't think that there is a standard AR mechanic for this. When I am CR, I tell my ARs that we want to get the calls right and we want to look good doing it....but the first part is more important. This is an unusual situation that probably wasn't covered in pre-game, so any way you can clearly communicate the info to your CR is probably good, even if it isn't the cleanest.
     
  7. fairplayforlife

    fairplayforlife Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The old "over and back" hand gesture, while not official, always seems to clear things up.
     
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  8. refontherun

    refontherun Member+

    Jul 14, 2005
    Georgia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If I'm running at full speed when the offside infraction takes place, I will take two or three steps back toward mid-field to compensate for the stopping distance, but that's about it.
     
  9. threeputzzz

    threeputzzz Member+

    May 27, 2009
    Minnesota
    You're correct, with the caveat that the offside player need only interfere with a defender which does not require contact. Just getting in a defender's way is enough.

    I use this. It's the same signal a basketball official uses to indicate a backcourt violation.
     
  10. Pittsburgh Ref

    Pittsburgh Ref Member+

    Oct 7, 2014
    da 'Burgh
    Yes quite familiar with the over-and-back to show that the offense has occurred

    Was thinking more of the weirdness of indicating a restart position that is not on a perpendicular to your position on the touchline
     
  11. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    At the risk of being pedantic, the specific requirement for interference with an opponent mostl likely to apply in this context is "challenging an opponent for the ball." As @threeputzzz noted, that does not require contact, but does require close proximity to the opponent and the ball. I think it always useful for as a referees to keep the literal requirements in mind, as we fare far better when explaining precisely.

    The third and fourth elements could come into play as well.



     
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  12. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
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