2017 Fire Roster Speculation

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  1. lethargytartare

    lethargytartare Member+

    Oct 2, 2000
    Magrathea, Horsehead Nebula
    Club:
    Yeovil Town FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Scotland
    no, but Pawno let's him play that way because he's an idiot. In theory, they both (accam and alvarez) could cut back and cross, but in practice they both just cut inside and touch-touch-touch the ball past a series of defenders until two things happen:

    1. Nikolic and DeLeeuw wind up standing still or moving out of the way and
    2. their only option, much to their total disappointment, I assure you, is to shoot

    Accam was our best corner taker last year. He can cross with his right foot, he just doesn't want to because he thinks goals are his only way to a big payday. It's Pawno's job to make him be a more complete player, and to explain how that will pay off for his career. I think playing him on the right would help, because the inside cut would be less appealing for that wet noodle he's sporting on his left leg. Instead, pawno just let's him do whatever the fvck he wants out there because occasionally he turns a desperation clearance into a miracle assist.
     
  2. lurak

    lurak Member+

    Aug 24, 2007
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    My belief is that Pawno is wedded to the 4-2-3-1 and he will stick with this formation despite the roster limitation that prevents it to be effective by playing several players out of position.

    Let's hope that the league helps facilitate a trade or two to get us into a balanced roster situation. Otherwise, look for one or two of the best 10 field players to be consistently on the bench to keep the defense from being run over.
     
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  3. milicz

    milicz Member+

    Dec 2, 2001
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    Poland
    It's the exact opposite, in a 3-4-3 you're playing to our rosters strength. Accam wouldn't have to track back and cover - he would be pressing up top and he'd have 3 ballwinners behind him.

    I just don't get the logic. Bench an MLS starting caliber player in order to play an MLS bench warmer? Have you seen Harrington play? You only need outside backs if you're overloading a side and they enter the attack. If you look at us this year and our action zones you'll see we usually have 3 at the back the way it is, and Harrington plays like a defensive winger more than a RB.

    The 3-4-3 is a pretty defensive formation, not sure why you think otherwise. I don't know if we're misunderstanding tactics or what but a 3-4-3 pretty much becomes a 5-4-1 when you're defending, with 2 mids sliding in as fullbacks. Juninho and Dax are not slow, neither is Polster.
     
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  4. chiladd

    chiladd Member+

    Mar 21, 1999
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Excellent explanation on why it would fit the starting 11s strengths.

     
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  5. Gamecock14

    Gamecock14 Member+

    May 27, 2010
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Orlando wont send their best defender. They will send some scrub because they would have the leverage.
     
  6. sWo97

    sWo97 Member+

    Aug 18, 2008
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Should be making a move for SKC's Saad Abdul-Salaam. It might not even cost Polster. Maybe 1st and 2nd round.
     
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  7. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
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  8. Jdgedwill

    Jdgedwill Member+

    Jun 15, 2013
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I might be misunderstanding something but your easy solution requires either playing 12 men or not playing with a Keeper. Either don't sound too easy to me.
     
  9. Jdgedwill

    Jdgedwill Member+

    Jun 15, 2013
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Only in preseason! In games that count King David wants to score the goals. He's 1 dimensional, the best is when he runs at 2 defenders and acts surprised when he loses the ball. Meanwhile a passing opportunity is blown that could've led to a goal. This is all highlight reel footage for him. One of the good things is if he does that crap with Basti, he will likely be talked to by a player whose earned more respect than anyone on the team 10 fold.
     
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  10. chiladd

    chiladd Member+

    Mar 21, 1999
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    KC is pretty deep at CM also - I would think tears of vermes would demand beaucoup funny money and draft picks ,

    * It would be worth the gamble , Saad's speed out of the back on the right to compliment Accam :)
     
  11. lethargytartare

    lethargytartare Member+

    Oct 2, 2000
    Magrathea, Horsehead Nebula
    Club:
    Yeovil Town FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Scotland
    it'd only be one of Dax/Jun/Pol playing alongside Basti
     
  12. splunge63

    splunge63 Member+

    Mar 30, 2014
    west burbs
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Welp, here we go. Really hope BS holds up, because it will be quite the story to finish his illustrious career with an MLS renaissance. Our depth and options just improved too. Going to be very interesting to see what Pauno does. A RB add would be very nice.
     
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  13. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    I hope he trains gleefully. :cautious:
     
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  14. Pennsylvania Dave

    Jul 31, 2012
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    If I am Pauno and Polster gets healthy he is my RB barring other acquisitions. Gotta put your best 11 out there even if a few are out of position. I wouldn't let Polster go because he is the future.
     
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  15. chiladd

    chiladd Member+

    Mar 21, 1999
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Polster played significant minutes at CB in college - he was talked about as a MLS CB prior to draft. I know it's nice to have a steady rock- seasoned pro CB like Kap anchoring. But I would really like to see Kap as RB and Matt as a CB.
    Him and Dax were the highest rated passing DMs last year.

    Would love to see a passing spine of

    Polster
    -
    Dax
    -
    Basti
    -
    MDL

    Not to sound overly optimistic- but that backbone could potentially be the best passing foundation in the league.

     
  16. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire

    Where is the fun in that? :rolleyes:

    We have sucked long enough that we should get to play with a man advantage, just to level things out.
     
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  17. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    My final thoughts on the season prior to Schweinsteiger's first appearance on the field I think are nicely summed up in the lyrics of this song:



     
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  18. 4door

    4door Member+

    Mar 7, 2006
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    First, Harrington sucks. Yea he plays too far up (and he sucks). We are better off with a straight back line of 4 - RB - Kap CB- Meira CB - Campbell LB - Vincent.

    Second, yea in a 3-4-3 you usually switch to 5 in the back with wingbacks. We don't have any, we have 4 CMs. And we historically lose the majority of possession, so you are going to have 2 of our natural CMs playing out of position for the majority of time. I don't think that plays to our strengths. Sure we have 'ball winners' but we don't have a bunch of 'chase down wingers'.

    I think our best lineup is to start with 4-2-3-1
    Niko
    Accam-MDL-Alvarez
    Dax-Basti
    Vincent-Cam-Meira-Kap

    I'm not against a 3-4-3, I'm against it with the group we have. I think MDL is going to be best centrally under Niko don't think he'll be as good out wide, I think Dax is better deeper and central instead of wide same goes for Juninho. Maybe guys like Polster can be converted into outside wingback type players, but who knows. The 4-2-3-1 I think puts everyone where they are best on the field, and gives us quality coming off the bench.
     
  19. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    Why do people keep talking about "wingbacks"? A team doesn't need them and we don't have any anyway.

    EDIT: The EPL sucks.
     
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  20. firefan2001

    firefan2001 Member+

    Dec 27, 2000
    Oswego, Illinois
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  21. Jiggly_333

    Jiggly_333 Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Mar 8, 2015
    Corner of Bedlam and Squalor (It's that way ->)
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
  22. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    I just voted for Zach.
    The voting for this sucks. It froze the computer twice.

    The actual voting appears to be meaningless, as there are 52 names on the list.

    Wow, the ad campaign for this is awful.
    #HeartThisClub
    http://www.chicago-fire.com/post/20...reate-commemorative-20th-season-playing-cards

    What the f*ck does that even mean?
    That is just stupid and does not describe anything.
    That is below IDEO level crap.

    Also, including Thiago, Chad f'n Barrett, Calen Carr, Dasan Robinson, Nate Jaqua are really stretching things a bit. (maybe Jaqua, he did score some goals, I guess)

    Odd that DeLeeuw is on the list, but Kappelhoff is not.
    Where is Frankowski and (just to make certain individuals' heads explode) Wanchope?

    Interestingly, only two Fire DPs are included:
    Blanco
    Accam


    No:
    Puppo
    JLA
    MacDonald
    Fernandez
    Ljungberg
    Maloney
    Kennedy
    Gilberto
    and no Nery Castillo!!!!!!!!!
    No Nikolic or Schweinsteiger, either.

    I would say that Schweinsteiger has already had a bigger impact on the Fire's history than Thiago.
     
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  23. Gamecock14

    Gamecock14 Member+

    May 27, 2010
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    I don't think they have the best marketing team. Then again wealth managers don't usually deal with marketing teams.
     
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  24. lurak

    lurak Member+

    Aug 24, 2007
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    That is a big expense to eat into their profits. They don't seem to really like even having support people to monitor the marketplace and do analysis because of cost and exposing them when it is found that they don't know what they are doing and screwing up their profits anyway.
     
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