most are not sitting on the bench. Felipe WAS...he actually had a goal and an assist in this month and has played in all of Espanyols game's this month mostly as a starter. Miller has scored I think 4 goals in 5 or 6 games. Enner has scored 2 goals and 1 assist this month. Antonio is regarded as the best right fullback in the world of futbol. Noboa is a stand out player in Rostov. Orejuela is an important player in Fluminense and starts and plays full 90 minute games all the time. Paredes plays every other game (much more than his Watford days). Luis Caicedo starter every game 90 mins in Cruziero. Dreer plays every game in Emelec. The only guys who DO NOT play are Arturo Mina and Walter Ayovi who plays as a sub, but mostly rides bench. 2 players out of the 11 in Paraguay are the ones that don't play. Everyone else does and pretty well lately. So their individual moments is NO EXCUSE b/c they're mostly playing well and active. vs. Colombia- Miller didn't play and Mena played instead. Mena is a 90 min stand out starter and star player of Cruz Azul. He's having a great run in Mexico so far. Who replaced Noboa? Matias Oyola, the captain of BSC and a decent player who plays as a starter. Marcos Caicedo- plays well always and is one of the stand out players of the campeonato. Gabriel Cortez- same thing. Gabriel Achilier- captain of Morelia and doing well in Mexico. Mario Pineida- stand out player in BSC. So tell me where are these guys who are "riding bench"? cuz most who ride bench (if there were any in this squad), did not play a single minute in any of these last two matches. The real problem is Gustavo Quinteros. Did anyone hear the press conference after the game? He said there's certain problems that can never be fixed and the same players keep making the same mistakes and they don't learn. That's the truth, but the way he delivered the message YET AGAIN provides no room for comfort and confidence in his players. This guy doesn't believe in his own players. Not even Reinaldo Rueda was like this. At least Rueda believed heavily in the guys he would choose. Quinteros constructs his squad and basically says things like they can't fix their own issues and never will OR my personal favorite "si entraban mas temprano, igual no hubieran hecho una diferencia". Way to shut down our players. I believe we are broken....ONCE AGAIN. These guy's self-esteem must be LOW by this point. I've never seen Ecuador play terribly this many games in a Qualifier. vs. Paraguay @ home, vs. Paraguay away, vs. Bolivia away, vs. Colombia @ home. I'm not even going to count the game vs. Brazil @ home b/c they clearly dominated and we lost that one NO EXCUSES. There's no excuse to playing terribly at home. None!!! NEVER! We may have one terrible away game, but NEVER play horribly in Quito. That's going to be unacceptable ALWAYS AND FOREVER. I lost complete belief in Quinteros after the game vs. Paraguay. To be honest we are out of the WC dream. 26 points at best won't get us any where assuming we can defeat Peru and Argentina @ home. We are out. Time to think in the next cycle. And seriously....what a waste of a generation. Players like Orejuela, Miller, Cazares, Luis Caicedo, Cristian Ramirez, Antonio Valencia, Cristian Noboa, Renato Ibarra, and even Felipe Caicedo deserve to be playing a WC. How sad for them...
We have not been outplayed in Quito SO MANY TIMES in a Qualifier ever too. That's the highlight of this entire cycle. How BADLY we've repeated played in Quito. El Atahualpa has always been one of the toughest stadiums to snatch points from. That ended this cycle once Quinteros took charge.
I'm at a loss for words. This is all on Quinteros for not calling up all the players who are having good moments (we have no depth if one starter goes down) and being clueless as a tactician. I'm usually all for supporting a coach but Quinteros has more cons than pros. He needs to go.
I read el bam bam might come out of retirement. Pls call him ASAP. Holy shit! Our back line is crazy slow. Is it me or they really failed at the offside trap?
It's the scheme. Everyone by now knows our tactics. Everyone knows how to counter them. Then you put players in position they don't play often, like Mena and Enner, and you have a recipe for disaster. In top of that you call players like Walter Ayovi, who allowed all the goals today by the way, to start. Yeah.... we aren't going to go to a WC with this type of coaches. Ecuador players are evolving with their teams too and having success outside of Ecuador but in Ecuador NT we remain stuck in the past. Unless a competent FEF president takes over that hires a coach that can bring fresh ideas and knows the Ecuadorian players... I don't have any hope at all for the NT. Quinteros has to be replaced though. Terrible coach. Terrible way to put your players down.
Quinteros is only surviving off the 12 points we got in 2015, because since then this team has gone completely downhill. If you think about it, he inherited the squad from Sixto Vizuete, who never got any credit for anything, and got all the blame for not qualifying in 2010 even though he took over the team after losing the first 4 qualifying matches. When Sixto took over after Rueda, once again the team was playing beautiful soccer, winning and looking good. I personally didn't understand the need to change but I guess since he's from Argentina he must know more than any Ecuadorian manager So he inherited a team that was playing well, and he absolutely started great, I would say he deserves credit for winning the first 4 matches in qualifying, especially the win away against Argentina, nobody expected that and he really convinced everyone he knew what he was doing. But now after the past 15 months, it's clear he doesn't know what he's doing. Or at least he doesn't know how to adapt. He's not selecting the right players, he's not implementing the right tactics, and he's not able to motivate the players. Most coaches will at least get 1 of those 3 things right, but he's 0 for 3. Guys this is really bad - I've been watching Ecuador qualifying matches since 1990, we never play this bad especially in Quito. The only time we did was after the 2006 World Cup under Luis Suarez and he got fired after the first 4 matches. Then we brought in Vizuete and we almost qualified. Right now the FEF has a choice: stick with Quinteros and pray he can turn it around, or start a new process, even if we don't qualify at least we can get a fresh start and new ideas. I think Quinteros has lost it, the players, the fans and the press no longer believe in him and so we should move ahead, unfortunately that means starting to think about 2022.
With the all the negative stuff he has been saying it would be unreal if we continued to keep him. Him saying that is making himself look bad and looks like he no longer wants to coach this team. If he cant fix the issue in our team we dont need him plain and simple.
I think it's time to think of a renewal. Without Walter Ayovi, Pedro Quinonez, Gabriel Achilier, Frickson Erazo, Juan Carlos Paredes, Alex Bolanos, Jaime Ayovi, Michael Arroyo, Jefferson Montero, Renato Ibarra, Angel Mena, Enner Valencia, Felipe Caicedo. We have to be realistic and know these guys will be either retired or passed 32 years of age if they were to make it to Qatar 2022. If I'm forgetting a name let me know. I'd even discard Marcos Caicedo from the next cycle. He's 25 already right? Who wants a 30 year old winger in a Qatar 2022 WC? Not me. We have to really press a refresh button this time and not half ass it. Pedro Ortiz, Pedro Velasco, Dario Aimar, Robert Arboleda, Cristian Ramirez, Mario Pineida, Arturo Mina, Luis Caicedo, Jose Francisco Cevallos, Jordan Sierra, Jefferson Orejuela, Bryan Cabezas, Gabriel Cortez, Juan Cazares, Junior Sornoza, Michael Estrada, and hopefully Jose "Tin" Angulo if he returns. These are the names we work with. There's a few others out there, but this should be the base. The leaders of this team: Maximo Banguera, Alexander Dominguez, Miller Bolanos, Antonio Valencia, and Cristian Noboa. Of course these latter two won't make it to a 2022 WC, but it's good for them to be a part of the first half of the process. Maybe not as starters, but for sure as leaders for maybe the first year of the new cycle.
Isn't Marcello Gallardo out of River Plate after December 2017?? Let the phone start ringing. What Ecuador needs is a top coach. We can't continue dodging it and going for half ass coaches. It's top quality or nothing. I bet we will attempt to contact Edgardo Bauza, but that concerns me. Bauza is an incredible coach, but he's not the type to take charge half way through a Qualifier cycle and succeed. He's one of the coaches that needs lots of time. Which worries me. Time is what you lack at NT level and it seems to be an issue for him with the Argentine NT. After this cycle would Bauza be a legit option for us? What do you guys think? I have my doubts. Pablo Repetto I would like to see succeeding in a big team first. I think he doesn't know how to handle pressure well. I like him as an option for Liga, but not for the NT. I like Turco Mohamed from Monterrey. Won Copa Sudamericana with Independiente (ARG) in 2010, was the manager for that really competitive Tijuana where Fidel Martinez played and won a title there, did a great job at America and won a title in 2014. I like his playing style. I've always mentioned him as an option. We need a Bielsa, Sampaoli, Pekerman...the type of coach that revolutionizes everything and takes things to a new level.
We have tons of player at the right age to do this. Honestly speaking this is what Vizuete was planing and considering our team this would have been the best option from the start of this cycle. Look at all the players right now entering into great moments most of them 24 years old and luckily have been part of the process at some point. This is what at this moment I would consider for a new NT cycle. And I would keep Marcos Caicedo for now he didnt have a long NT career I would not want to end it now still has more to offer IMO and we are a little week in the wings at the moment. GK Alexander Domínguez June 5, 1987 (age 29) GK Máximo Banguera December 16, 1985 (age 31) GK Hamilton Piedra March 20, 1993 (age 24) DF Arturo Mina October 8, 1990 (age 26) DF Cristian Ramírez August 12, 1994 (age 22) DF Mario Pineida July 6, 1992 (age 24) DF Luis Caicedo May 11, 1992 (age 24) DF Robert Arboleda October 22, 1991 (age 25) DF Fernando León April 11, 1993 (age 23) DF Darío Aimar January 5, 1995 (age 22) DF Pedro Velasco September 26, 1993 (age 23) MF Antonio Valencia August 4, 1985 (age 31) MF Christian Noboa April 9, 1985 (age 31) MF Jefferson Orejuela February 14, 1993 (age 24) MF Marcos Caicedo October 10, 1991 (age 25) MF Gabriel Cortez October 10, 1995 (age 21) MF Bryan Cabezas March 20, 1997 (age 20) MF Ayrton Preciado July 17, 1994 (age 22) MF Jordan Sierra April 23, 1997 (age 19) MF José Cevallos Enríquez January 18, 1995 (age 22) MF Juan Cazares April 3, 1992 (age 24) MF Carlos Gruezo April 19, 1995 (age 21) MF Ely Esterilla February 6, 1993 (age 24) MF Junior Sornoza January 28, 1994 (age 23) FW Miler Bolaños June 1, 1990 (age 26) FW Michael Estrada April 7, 1996 (age 20) FW Jhon Cifuentes July 23, 1992 (age 24) FW Joao Plata March 1, 1992 (age 25)
Most of what has to be said has been said already. Quinteros has this arrogance about him that hasn't sit well with me for quite some time. He said we lost this game due to "dumb mistakes" but that doesn't excuse the lack of creativity and heart they're playing with. I was definitely on board the Quinteros hype train when we started but I believe it's time for him to go. Although I wouldn't mind seeing him stay until the end so that he can humble himself and have no excuses. The truth is the next cycle has to be a fairly new generation of players. It didn't necessarily start that way for Quinteros. That Copa America in Chile was also a bad showing where we went out in the first round.
Agree wholeheartedly with this The good thing is that this new Ecuador base is around the age of 24 or younger (with a couple exceptions) and 24 is the perfect age for a player to reach that level of consistency needed for a NT. First thing we need to do is find a coach who can instill a fire within our players. Someone with the characteristics of Simeone, who can organize a team defensively and knows how to play with and without the ball. Only coaches who I can think of who are similar to him are Sabella and Sampaoli but both are not going to want to come here without a good paycheck.
Just read on El Universo that Carlos Villacis will make a decision on Monday whether to keep or get rid of Quinteros.
I didn't stay up for this one. I figured Uruguay would win. Honestly Peru and Bolivia winning keeps things extremely unpredictable. I don't think we are playing football that deserves to qualify, but if Quinteros (or his replacement) can figure out a way to get back on track, then 6 points from the next 4 matches could put us through. It's just a shame that we are in this position now. It's actually good we have a break for several months. Some of the guys that are injured can get back in shape. Remember that Jefferson Montero was the most important player for us last cycle, he was one of the best players of the continent - if he can get back to his normal self it can make a huge difference. Fidel Martinez, Christian Ramirez and Renato Ibarra should be back, hopefully Quinteros will stop being stubborn and call up Sornoza and Cazares and Arroyo. Just these 6 players and we have a completely different team. Then there's Tin Angulo who deserves another chance, he's a young guy who did a stupid thing, but man he could have been important because he has combines the best characteristics of Enner Valencia (fast, good header) and Felipao (big and strong). He has already been out the entire season so that seems a fair punishment. Anyway let's see what happens. Chances are not good but we know we have the talent, but we need a good manager and some luck.
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Just read that too. He doesn't sound too happy as well. I think and hope Quinteros is packing his bags.
my name Oscar Portilla and Fernando Baird....love their live shows they have on youtube and Facebook live everyday. Ego TV is the spot for any Liga fans, but great 2 hour show on the NT. The press from Quito, especially these guys, put Quinteros in his place ever since he called them idiots. Quinteros is hated in la Sierra. They're actually live right now. 9pm night show.
Great info Javer, but the problem is that if we are thinking about 2022, you will have to add +5 years to all these players ages b/c that will be their REAL age by the end of the 2022 cycle. That's what I took into account when doing my analysis of who should stay and who should go. Players like Marcos Caicedo, Ely Esterilla, and Joao Plata lose appeal because they'll be 29 or 30 years old. That's not ideal for wingers. Maybe for a defender, keeper, center mid, or even a striker, but I feel like we've usually had youthful wingers who are fast and explosive in their prime with the exception of Antonio who although is 31 is still very much fast, strong, and in top form. We have to renew our wings and as I've been saying for some time, I don't see much talent in that area of the field. Same with the center mid position. Strikers and defenders- I'm pleased to see growth here, but wingers and center mids are LACKING.
Sampaoli would never come to Ecuador again. Emelec was step #1 into blasting off his career. Highly doubt Ecuador would appeal to him. Also, we can't afford him. It's almost like us thinking we'll get Bielsa. Marcelo Gallardo is rumored to be option #2 for Argentina if they can't get Sampaoli right now. Gallardo is actually a coach that would be very much viable for us despite him having lots of international recognition in the America's for everything he's achieved. Same with someone like Antonio Mohamed. And believe it or not, I like Ricardo Gareca from Peru. Always have. I always mentioned him for Ecuador before Quinteros came in. I think he'd fit in well in Ecuador. And as a fourth Jorge Fossati who will always be a favorite despite his bad run in Uruguay's NT. He knows Ecuadorian futbol really well just like Bauza and his teams play great futbol. Knowing how the Federation carries themselves, I can see Pablo Repetto, Guillermo Almada, Edgardo Bauza, and Ruben Dario Insua being options. And seeing how closed minded the Federation is, I would highly doubt they look outside of these options. But like Fernando Baird says "para que venga Bielsa tenemos que vender La Casa de la Selection".
Gallardo would actually be a pretty good pick. He works well with youth and has the pedigree needed to carry a team forward. But the issue lies in the money. FEF needs to stop being cheap in order to improve our NT. And the thing that sucks is that Ecuador isn't a bad team at all. The talent is there but there hasn't been a coach who has been able to take that talent and make it blossom to the fullest.
well YES you nailed one part. They are "cheap". If anyone is interested and goes to the video I posted ^ earlier, go to 2:17:00 minute mark and watch for 3-4 minutes and Oscar Portilla tells an interesting true story about how Jorge Fossati was actually the #1 option to coach the NT for this Qualifier process, not Quinteros. Quinteros was the second option in case Fossati said no. Anybody want to know WHY Fossati said no? It wasn't the money. It was the fact that Fossati was not ok with the FEF (Chiriboga) altering the squad lists during every call up. Fossati said " I will accept under one condition- Nobody but me alters these lists"....Chiriboga said no. After this disagreement Chiriboga tells Fossati...."well if you don't accept, then I already have Ecuador's next coach ready to go". Fossati says "why?". The response was "he's a cheaper option".