All the stars are gone - 2017 player moves

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  1. kernel_thai

    kernel_thai Member+

    Oct 24, 2012
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    I have two issues here. First it troubling to lose high draft picks to second tier teams. Teams like PSG or Lyon u have to live with but when college seniors r choosing Glasgow City and Ajax it is worrisome. Second, I wish the Dash had taken the chance on Jordan. First u have Lloyd who is already up there and can't be counted on for a full season. Then there is the question of will Daly stay in the NWSL if she continues to feature for England. U have to believe Sampson would prefer her closer to home. Having Jordan arrive next year would have been nice insurance in both cases.
     
  2. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    On the GK discussion, the Thorns currently have 1 keeper on their roster, Franch, with Betos heading off to Europe. I have to think Franch was going to step into the starting role, thus the Betos move. That's good for both of them, but it leaves the Thorns needing another keeper.

    The Thorns currently have 20 players listed on their roster, which puts them at the max. (In the past, their posted roster has included only signed players.) Plus, they apparently have an international player coming. Add a backup keeper and that gets to 22, which is 2 too many. I'm guessing there's a trade in the works for a backup keeper, perhaps a two-for-one (and maybe some draft choices) deal.

    The Thorns' 20 player roster includes Tyler Lussi and Caroline Flynn from this year's draft. They traded the rights to Rachel Hill, from the draft, to Orlando for future draft picks. Savannah Jordan will be overseas this year, but the Thorns own the rights to her if she comes back to the US next year. This thus appears to complete the Thorns' roster, except for the backup GK issue.

    So, maybe a team having 3 keepers is based on its planning to trade one of them. The Thorns certainly look like a good trade partner.
     
  3. holden

    holden Member+

    Dundee FC, Yeovil Town LFC, Girondins de Bordeaux
    Oct 20, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Dundee FC
    Wait... I thought the Thorns had officially signed Ashleigh Sykes, but she's not listed on their roster nor is there a news item about it on the Thorns site. Is she the international that's coming in that Paulson's talking about or do they have another one coming in in addition?
     
  4. Blaze20

    Blaze20 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Seattle Reign FC
    Sep 22, 2009
    Club:
    Philadelphia Independence
    Put me in the camp that't not too worried about this move and I think it make sense. It is unlikely that Payne would have seen game time given that both Leroux and Arod would be returning this year. It therefore makes sense that she would move to a team where she's guarantee playing time to develop. I'm willing to bet that if her game does improve to NWSL standards, we will see her back in the league in the next year or two.

    I'm surprise people are concerned about this move given it has been happening in the NWSL quite a lot. These mid level picks that are not exactly starting level material have been moving overseas increasingly only to return back in a year or two to try their luck in the NWSL again. I think it works for everyone involved.
     
  5. DynamoManiac

    DynamoManiac Member+

    Jan 27, 2014
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Agree with the above. With each year that passes where we remain at a twenty player roster, it definitely gets more difficult for these mid-round picks to stick or hang on. You are jamming more and more talent into a league where you aren't adding a whole ton in the way of roster spots. It's bordering on stupid to stick around when you can go overseas, make comparable money to what you would earn as a mid-round rookie, and actually play then return later in a better spot.
     
  6. kernel_thai

    kernel_thai Member+

    Oct 24, 2012
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Well if the Thorns want to send me Jordan's rights for Henninger Id be willing. Jordan is a warm weather player so I don't think she'd mind Houston especially after a summer in Scotland. Who knows, she might even get to play with the FIFA world best player for a match or two.
     
  7. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I assume Sykes is the one (as The Oregonian reported), but the Thorns have not yet made an official announcement, which probably means that the deal is not yet completed, at least in terms of paper work and approvals.
     
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  8. holden

    holden Member+

    Dundee FC, Yeovil Town LFC, Girondins de Bordeaux
    Oct 20, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Dundee FC
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  9. holden

    holden Member+

    Dundee FC, Yeovil Town LFC, Girondins de Bordeaux
    Oct 20, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Dundee FC
  10. IZIE

    IZIE Member

    Feb 6, 2016
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Now the pride is even weaker going forward. Whose gonna score goals? They have an intl spot so may get a striker... Could potentially be one of the best defense in the league though
     
  11. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    #311 SiberianThunderT, Mar 9, 2017
    Last edited: Mar 9, 2017
    De Vanna has always been hot-and-cold, both on and off the field. In general, teams are better without her.

    Also, it seems the following Tweet:

    and subsequent answer that it's not a Japanese player has set fans ablaze with the rumor that Marta might be coming back Stateside. I personally find that hard to believe unless NWSL sets up a Designated-Player-like rule, but then again Portland did manage to get Henry last season, so *shrugs* But if it's not Europe, Australia, or Japan, that certainly doesn't leave many options for players that can by themselves make a team title contenders... I doubt it's Marta but am almost certain it'll be a Brazilian - unless there's some really impressive Korean or African player I'm not aware of.
     
  12. DynamoManiac

    DynamoManiac Member+

    Jan 27, 2014
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    I have a hard time believing Marta as well. The only Korean player who would really register would be Ji So-yun, but she's not coming. There are 3 or so others who could compete in NWSL, but none on the level being suggested here. I'd say the same for Africa as well.

    If you take out Japan, Europe and Australia then I'm at a total loss beyond Marta.
     
  13. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
  14. Blaze20

    Blaze20 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Seattle Reign FC
    Sep 22, 2009
    Club:
    Philadelphia Independence
    Does WNY Fl... I mean NC Courage have another NWSL GK given their recent luck at that position?
     
  15. LucyFearsTheMorningStar

    Sep 27, 2015
    Club:
    Atlanta Beat
    So if Marta joins Orlando, what are the rules around how much a team can pay for the transfer fee?
     
  16. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    I don't think it would be the team... I mean, all player contracts are technically with NWSL itself. NWSL hasn't ever worked with transfer fees before to my knowledge aside from J. Scott leaving FCKC for the WSL, which was a whole legal battle.
     
  17. DynamoManiac

    DynamoManiac Member+

    Jan 27, 2014
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Technically there is no mechanism for NWSL to pay transfer fees (at least there was not last year). Nevertheless, while never officially public, transfer fees have been paid before. Never anywhere near what Marta would likely require, though.

    In MLS, transfer fees count against the salary cap. In NWSL, with caps being what they are, that would be tough to do.
     
  18. holden

    holden Member+

    Dundee FC, Yeovil Town LFC, Girondins de Bordeaux
    Oct 20, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Dundee FC
    Maybe they figure the GK curse won't follow them down to NC... ;)
     
  19. Blaze20

    Blaze20 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Seattle Reign FC
    Sep 22, 2009
    Club:
    Philadelphia Independence
    That's a bold strategy, let'e see if it pays off for them
     
  20. RUfan

    RUfan Member

    Dec 11, 2004
    NJ
    Club:
    Sky Blue FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    From the 2016 roster rules:

    Players Loaned to NWSL

    All terms of any arrangements contemplated between an NWSL Team or any related party and a Player to be loaned to NWSL shall be fully disclosed to the NWSL League office. Any loan must be extendable to a second (2nd) year which will allow for the option year to be exercised. The loan agreement will include a proviso to this effect. The League office shall make a determination, in its sole discretion, as to the terms upon which it may accept such Player on loan.
     
  21. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    #321 SiberianThunderT, Mar 10, 2017
    Last edited: Mar 10, 2017
    That's all about loans, not transfers. Loans don't change where the player's contract officially is; a transfer would.

    = = =

    In any case, even if Marta is coming over to Orlando, I would expect it to be after UWCL play is done. She wants to win that title with Rosengard.
     
  22. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    And now Marta herself speaks, essentially saying "Ignore the rumors, I'm in the Champions League for today":
     
  23. Blaze20

    Blaze20 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Seattle Reign FC
    Sep 22, 2009
    Club:
    Philadelphia Independence
    Isn't that the classic answer players give when they are about to leave?
     
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  24. DynamoManiac

    DynamoManiac Member+

    Jan 27, 2014
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Yeah, I mean she doesn't really say I'm not going anywhere. She says she is focused on Champions League right now. I think it is clear that if she does go anywhere, it won't be until after Champions League is over.
     
  25. LucyFearsTheMorningStar

    Sep 27, 2015
    Club:
    Atlanta Beat
    Still curious what those fees will be like. Unlike other leagues, Sweden goes to Nov/Dec so doesnt necessarily magically be out of contract in June transfer window. Most teams make moves in June anyway because CL is over and no player is prevented from participating unlike those transferring in January.
     

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