News: Monday , March 06, 2017

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by Fiosfan, Mar 6, 2017.

  1. Macsen

    Macsen Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 5, 2007
    Orlando
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He's referring specifically to the Moneyball era of the 2000s.
     
  2. Stan Collins

    Stan Collins Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Silver Spring, MD
    Beane was made GM of the A's in 1997. From 1999-2006, they won more than 200 games more than they lost with a below-average payroll, never having a losing season or finishing worse than second in the division in that time. I think that's long enough to suggest that, for a while at least, the A's were thinking ahead of most of their peers.
     
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  3. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I understood that. Still counterfactual.
     
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  4. PTFC in KCMO

    PTFC in KCMO Member+

    Aug 12, 2012
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    The Giants play moneyball. They've used it to win 3 world series this decade. They just have more money to ball with.
     
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  5. Eric B

    Eric B Member

    Feb 21, 2000
    the LBC
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    True, they did win one whole playoff series in that time...
     
  6. Stan Collins

    Stan Collins Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Silver Spring, MD
    That seems cherry-picked to be the worst possible measure of how your FO is doing, though. The A's played 1300 regular season games in the period, but we're just gonna throw 'em out and count only about three dozen.
     
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  7. Eric B

    Eric B Member

    Feb 21, 2000
    the LBC
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not throwing them out and if Moneyball was about making small profits while under-exploiting a pretty large market than sure it was a hug hit but it didn't produce for Oakland in a pretty important way, and that's in championships.
     
  8. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    Notice that he spends a lot of time talking about figuring out how to compare players from different leagues? That's the big point. What's been evident lately is that in soccer you can't even hope to scout everybody you need to scout what with the 30 or so decent leagues spread around the world. If you just go after the players becoming famous well then there are 20 or so big money clubs out there with scouts already in place. To get the hidden gems you need to run the stats and then send the scouts. That approach was key to Leicester getting Marhez and Kante.
     
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  9. Stan Collins

    Stan Collins Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Silver Spring, MD
    Doesn't seem relevant to the discussion. If that's the 'real' beef here, then I would think it would be directed at the sales staff or the owners.

    Being that the GM can't get out there and deliver the one hit that shift a series, nor can he pull the pitcher that might or might not be fading, it doesn't seem to me to reflect on a GM that a team did not win a playoff series that's pretty close to a random outcome from his point of view.
     
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  10. Honore de Ballsac

    Oct 28, 2005
    France.
    Our crack analytics team worked around the clock crunching some insane numbers and determined there's some great young talent in the French league.
     
  11. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  12. Placid Casual

    Placid Casual Member+

    Apr 2, 2004
    Bentley's Roof
    #62 Placid Casual, Mar 7, 2017
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    Not quite with Mahrez. They went to watch another player and noticed him. Then ran the info.

    Plus he was 6 months away from being out of contract so 400k wasn't much to spend.
     
  13. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    I'm not sure exactly what numbers they ran but I do know that a popular method is to look first for teams that are achieving numbers that indicate a playing style seen at higher levels and then the scout figures out who is causing that anomoly.
     

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