Pre-match: USA vs Serbia; January 29th in San Diego

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by Sebsasour, Dec 17, 2016.

  1. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Very similar lineup to the one Klinsmann used against Scotland but much worse in one specific area. There is only one natural goal scorer in the front 6. We need at least 2 and preferably 3.
     
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  2. Lookingforleftbacks

    Galaxy
    United States
    Dec 17, 2016
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I know and I've tried to like him, I really have. But my eyes don't lie to me.
     
  3. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I agree, but like others I also agree that when coach after coach sees differently then you've gotta reassess your viewpoint. That said, a player can be better than the rest in the position (or work harder, or whatever metric you want to use) and still not be the best player for the team. But maybe Bruce can find a way to keep Jones on the field AND work his tactics to fill the gaps that Jermaine leaves with his style of play--something Klinsy never did.
     
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  4. dlokteff

    dlokteff Member+

    Jan 22, 2002
    San Francisco, CA
    True, and that drab 0-0 was about as sleepy as it gets. At least JK had Eddie Johnson on the left with DMB, theoretically creating some speed, though EJ, pseudo-winger, was not one of JK best ideas.

    Too bad we don't have an angry LD to recreate the other Scotland match.
     
  5. kansascity.lincoln

    Jun 14, 2011
    Kansas City, MO
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Great point and an example of that in my IMHO would be including Donovan on last years World Cup roster whether he played 90 every game or not. Go USA. I'm happy to be watching the game in spite of things again!
     
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  6. edcrocker

    edcrocker Member+

    May 11, 1999
    IndividualEleven, I see your point about it being more reasonable for Bruce Arena to start Graham Zusi than Keegan Rosenberry at right back today. I think that you are basically saying the following: Rosenberry is so young and inexperienced that it would be risky to play him against either Honduras or Panama. So, it is better for Arena to start Zusi over Rosenberry at right back today. If Zusi were to play well today, it would give Arena another reasonable option to play right back against Honduras and/or Panama. And Rosenberry, given his youth and inexperience, would never be a reasonable option to play against Honduras and/or Panama.

    But I think it is plausible—in fact likely—that Rosenberry could have played so well in these two friendlies that he would have been a better option to play right back against Honduras and/or Panama than Zusi. Rosenberry was a very good right back in MLS last season. It’s not just that he was very good for a rookie. He was very good, period. And he is smart and composed. The momentousness of events doesn’t seem to overwhelm him. There might be a little Joe Montana in him. In addition, if he had played in these two friendlies, he would have gained some international experience. So, for the Honduras and Panama matches, he wouldn’t have been completely untried and green.

    Also, it’s not as if Zusi is an outstanding right back prospect. He lacks speed and doesn’t move that well laterally. And he has very little experience at right back. In contrast, if Eric Lichaj had been available for today’s game, then I think Arena should have started Lichaj over Rosenberry. But Lichaj has been a good right back at English Championship level for many years. And he even had 42 appearances (across all competitions) at outside back in the English Premier League. And he moves well laterally and has decent speed.

    Zusi has very little experience at right back. He doesn’t move that well laterally. And he lacks speed. So, I think that even a Rosenberry with only two caps from friendlies—which he would have gotten if he had played these games against Serbia and Jamaica—likely would have been a better right back option against Honduras and Panama than Zusi. That said, I see your point about Rosenberry’s lack of experience and Zusi’s experience. Let’s see how Zusi does today.

    But should Bruce Arena start Jermaine Jones today? That’s an important question to ask, because it helps us determine what ought to be done rather than what is likely to be done. Analogously, one might predict that a given candidate for U.S. President will win a given election. But it is more important to discuss whether that candidate should be elected. It helps people determine what actions they should take.

    And I don’t think Arena should start Jones today against Serbia. And this is partly because Jones is ineligible to play against Honduras because of yellow card accumulation. For those who may not know that Jones is ineligible to play against Honduras, here is a link:

    http://www.foxsports.com/soccer/sto...chandler-suspended-for-usmnts-next-wcq-111516

    So, it is important for Arena to identify the best player for him to start next to Bradley against Honduras. And it’s not at all clear at the moment who that is. Perry Kitchen is an option. But Kitchen has only 5 caps, and I believe none in important games. In addition, if Arena were to start Kitchen against Honduras, Arena never will have had Kitchen play a game under him prior to starting him in a hugely important World Cup qualifier. So, I think it is important for Arena to give some of the players who are reasonable candidates to start at central midfield against Honduras the start today and against Jamaica in order for him to try to determine what would be the best line-up to start in the very important World Cup qualifier against Honduras.

    If Jones were available to play against Honduras, then I agree that Arena should start Jones against Serbia today. For if Jones were eligible to play against Honduras, were healthy prior to the match, were to have played well in these two friendlies and were to play well for the LA Galaxy prior to the Honduras match, then Arena probably should have started Jones against Honduras. But Jones can’t play against Honduras. And it’s important for Arena to have as much data as possible to determine who he should start in central midfield against Honduras. Starting someone other than Jones today would give Arena more important data.
     
  7. klins

    klins Member

    Jun 20, 1999
    stafford , tx, usa
    My line up
    -------------------------------------Bingham
    ------Zusi--------------Marshall---------------Birnbaum-------------Jorge Villafaña
    ------Lletget-----------McCarty----------------Nagbe------------------Pontius
    --------------------------Agudelo----------------Morris
     
  8. kansascity.lincoln

    Jun 14, 2011
    Kansas City, MO
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Great fn post. I agree don't start Jones. Good tip on yellow card accumulation. Don't start Benny either; he probably is taped to his locker by his teammates anyways. As high sprung and eager as he is now. Ready to show himself worthy. I'm betting he is.
    We don't win this game I will be concerned. This should be a high energy 4-1 win for the USMNT. WHERE IS THE LINEUP. :(
     
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  9. RevsRule

    RevsRule Member+

    NE Revs, LAFC
    Jun 9, 1999
    N. Eastern, Mass
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    GOAL Mag has this as starting 15 minutes ago:

    Nick Rimando; Graham Zusi, Steve Birnbaum, Chad Marshall, Greg Garza; Michael Bradley, Jermaine Jones; Alejandro Bedoya, Sacha Kljestan, Darlington Nagbe; Jozy Altidore

    Shocker
     
  10. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
    San Francisco
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Is six center midfielders enough center midfielders? Stay tuned and find out!
     
  11. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    That would be pretty much expected, though I would really have rathered see Morris starting wide instead of Bedoya. I don't think that's enough width in attack.
     
  12. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Barcelona, Spain
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Arena said he wants better passing in midfield and starts jones, bradley and bedoya?? lol...OKAY BRUCE
     
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  13. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Barcelona, Spain
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    this is not a must-win game.

    the result of this match is meaningless.
     
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  14. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Barcelona, Spain
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sunil on the sidelines talking to Arena right before the match?? yikes.

    calling it now...the us will miss russia 2018.
     
  15. nbstriker8

    nbstriker8 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 10, 2008
    new beige
    Club:
    SL Benfica
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Has anyone seen Bruce and Jurgen at the same place at the same time?
     
  16. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Don't be so pessimistic. CONCACAF is getting 6.5 NTs to the World Cup starting 2026, so at most we'll miss a couple of WCs.
     
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  17. Deadtigers

    Deadtigers Member+

    Jul 23, 2015
    Independent Republic of the Bronx, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ghana
    is the official line-up been released?
     
  18. AMERICANSOCCER

    AMERICANSOCCER New Member

    Sep 6, 2011
    Does ESPN care about hiring good announcers?
    Why is this kid on pregame show yelling?
    Very annoying. Might be better for HS soccer webcast. :(
     
  19. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    I like the way you think
     
  20. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    20,079 total attendance for the Serbia friendly in San Diego
     
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  21. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    why again was Serbia chosen?
     
  22. USOutlaw16

    USOutlaw16 Member+

    Green Bay Voyageurs
    United States
    Jan 22, 2011
    On the Gringo Wall of Shame
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  23. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    To make the US look bad?
     
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  24. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There's also the explanation that's more likely, which is that he declined, but we've been slow to transition away from him out of being conservative and loyalty, as happens frequently with nt managers, which usually leads to their demise. With this one we don't even know his tendency, beyond these subsequent qualifiers at max. Bradley will probably start because he's a holdover which Bruce said he'd do because this isn't the time for prospects. Then we'll see after that.
     
  25. mike4066

    mike4066 Member+

    Jun 30, 2007
    Chula Vista, CA
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    One of the few NT we can schedule for this friendly. Either them or a Scandinavian country (Or Canada)
     

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