News: Chargers Move to LA, crash on Galaxy's couch.

This article says the new stadium in Las Vegas would not be ready until 2020 and they would remain in Oakland until that.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/raider...s-with-nfl-owners-vote-pending-173132964.html

 

Well that will be fun for Oakland.

I really think it will be interesting with San Diego and Oakland. The NFL is a league that doens't get much wrong business wise but I see lots of questions on these franchises. San Diego's welcome rally yesterday looked like it had about 100 "fans" in attendance at the Forum. I'm not convinced Vegas is a good home for a sports franchise.

Could be interesting.

 

I've been once in Las Vegas.. and in my case (and i know it is not representativa), as a foreigner visiting the country, I would have loved to see an American Football Match at my time there*. But of course I don't think a NFL franchise can sustain itself only with tourist revenue.


* - I've been to the US just twice. I couldn't attend to any MLS match in my visits there

 

Well the San Diego to LA thing has already gone over like a fart in Church. They've completely alienated all but a tiny fraction of their San Diego fan base, and they've found out they have no real LA fan base already. And the city and media have similarly proven at best indifferent to them arriving. Not the typical rapacious welcome the NFL is used to when moving a team into a market. And it's likely because they're moving in a second team far too quickly after an existing team. The league even seemed to be taken by surprise that the Chargers actually did it. They didn't want to lose the San Diego market or to over-saturate LA, especially when there was still a deal to be made in SD. But the Chargers owner is an inept boob as many of the multi-generational sports owners can be.

With Oakland they seem to have run out of options even by the league's standards. And they do seem genuinely excited for Vegas. There seems to be less hesitance because they probably don't see themselves as loosing the SF Bay Area since the Niners are already there, and the region was always hesitant to embrace the Raiders again when they came back in the mid-90's from their sojourn to LA (seemingly rightly so since they're leaving again).

With regard to soccer though, MLS, USL, and NASL clearly see they have an opening in San Diego and are all taking advantage of it. With Las Vegas some see the stadium for the Raiders as being helpful to MLS aspirations, but I'd be worried about too much incoming sport in a market that isn't that big and has never had anything before but now has an NHL and likely NFL team. Saturation is a concern.

 

I'm saddened to see you think so.

In raw numbers, a good number of BYU grads go on to get PhDs.

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Isn't that an obscene gesture in Italy?

 

What isn't?

 

I don't know, I have a feeling that SD is going to do well in LA. Not extraordinary, but definitely far from a failure. Their move to SHC was a brilliant move IMO, as they'll have time to stablish the franchise. In a market that big, they don't have to be a huge success or an always-winning team to be succesfull (look at the Jets in NY). Hell, even MLS think they can make it in LA with 2 teams, why not the NFL?

Las Vegas on the other hand...

I don't know, I think I disagree. I've also been in Vegas and had some friends living there but... why do people go to Las Vegas?? Bet and party, mainly. Vegas has so many touristic atractions by itself that I don't know how the NFL would rank against Cirque du Soleil, the Wynn, Bellaggio fountains, Floyd Mayweather, Fremont St, Chris Angel, NHL*, etc.

And even if the NFL becomes popular for tourists, how many of those would be actually Raiders fans and how much would support someone else (or just don't care at all)? Teams need a strong local fanbase to succeed (at least in my mind). They need people from Vegas actually going regularly to the games, buy season tickets, merchandise, and watch them on TV. That's where I have my doubts.

I'd be more worried about the Raiders than the Chargers

 

Raiders fans travel well. Since most of them are based in NorCal and SoCal, I think they'll make the trip to Vegas because almost all NFL games are played on weekends. Of the arriving Vegas pro teams, I think the NHL Golden Knights will have a harder time drawing. You're asking a city with no grassroots hockey culture--nor the ethnic and income demographics for the NHL--to attend games 41 nights a season (most of those games on weekdays). NHL tickets don't come cheap, especially in a city of hotel workers, who'll be working shifts when most of the games will be played. I think a city like Vegas would have a much better chance of getting 20-22k per game for 17 MLS dates than getting 17-18k per game for 41 NHL dates. Like the NFL, most MLS games are played on weekends, so traveling fans from LA, San Jose, Portland, RSL, etc. can help fill seats. Not to mention tickets are relatively affordable compared to the other leagues.

 

I think you just agreed with me... I also said that i don't think an NFL franchice can be sustained just with tourist tickets.

 

For what it's worth, the Golden Knights have already sold up to their cap of 16,000 season ticket deposits. We'll see how it goes long term, though.

 

Who is the half buried guy with his bottom legs sticking in the air and why are they tazing him?

(I watched a Saw marathon last night).

 

I'd be interested to know what those PhD's are in. I know that BYU has a good business school, for instance, and that makes sense to me. I have no desire to challenge anyone's faith, except when it is destructive to other human beings or the environment; but it seems difficult to me to reconcile the reincarmantion of Jesus in North America, or story of Noah, with the study of earth science or biology. But no doubt we are drifting from the topic of the thread.

By the way, I think I'd be fine with BYU in the Pac 12; and Colorado State too. I get why conferences don't recruit more than one school per media market anymore; but I don't like it.

 

Pretty sure they don't teach creationism as science at BYU. How about Catholic universities? Does the Church's belief in the existence of Adam & Eve preclude their science degrees from being taken seriously? (actually asking)

 

Catholic universities don't teach anything about Adam and Eve. Hell they don't even teach religion but for one or two required classes in 4 years of schooling.

 

My daughter is in 4th grade at a Catholic school and in "Religion" class, she was told that Pharoh let Moses and the Israelites go, and then changed his mind, but it was too late to chase after them, so they said fuh-geddaboutit. The Israelites got to the Red Sea, but since it is hard to scientifically prove the parting of the Red Sea, they probably just built a boat and crossed, or maybe they just went around the long way. No rush, not like anyone was chasing them with swords or anything. And the same teacher later said that Saul of Tarsis was blinded on his way to Damascus, so he hid out in a catacomb with all the skulls until everything blew over, and when he was down there, he got spooked by the bones and miraculously found Jesus and started preaching the Gospel.

And some people think Evangelical Protestants who think the Flintstones was a documentary are the wingnuts...

 

This thread is further off the rails than the NASL one...

 

It is a blessed thing.

 

At the risk of upsetting some Raiders fans, they couldn't leave Oakland soon enough for me. The Davis family has done nothing but manipulate and take advantage of taxpayers in areas that could not afford the multi millions in unreturned tax revenue. Las Vegas will figure that out only after it's too late.

 

Agreed. The only thing the Raiders have done for them is sue them and ruined what had been a serviceable ballpark for the A's.

 

It's pretty varied, but there's overrepresentation in physics and engineering. When I was briefly at NASA (as a budget analyst, an incredibly boring job), there was no shortage of Mormons. Where I live now, I know more than a half-dozen working at Burt Rutan's Scaled Composites to develop a plane to launch orbital satellites. A childhood friend is in Texas working on the replacement for traditional socket fuel. I also know a strangely high number of Mormons are in health care, particularly dentists.

And Mormons don't believe in reincarnation. Literal resurrection, yes. Existence prior to birth, yes. But as a spirit, not as another person, animal, or plant. Theologically speaking, the big element in the resurrected Jesus visiting and teaching people somewhere in the Americas was not about the location.

TL;DR: Mormons are very inclined toward education. A great deal of this is because in LDS cosmology, the universe is fundamentally rational. We know only a little about it, ourselves, and God, but more than yesterday. And tomorrow, we'll know more.

 

Though oddly BYU isn't a particularly good aerospace engineering school.

 

uh. duh. they are trying to get to Kolob. maybe they'll see Xenu on the trip there.