NASL is no longer considering suing US Soccer for anti-trust over division 1 status

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  1. asoc

    asoc Member+

    Sep 28, 2007
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    Because Muffins aren't Cupcakes and Cupcakes aren't Muffins. They aren't the same... One has substance, the other just has some icing on the top masking something that isn't.
     
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  2. 007Spartan

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    Dude, that is deep.
     
  3. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
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  4. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

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    That or Segroves beat you to it.
     
  5. The Irish Rover

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    The Velvets: "Only ever sold 10,000 albums, but every person who bought a Velvet Underground album joined a band that sold 1,000,000 copies of every album."
     
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  6. The Irish Rover

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    $$$. Remember, Mick Jagger came from a solidly white-collar backgound. When he dropped out of university to do music it wasn't sculpture art school, it was economics and finance at the LSE* ;)


    *London School of Economics
     
  7. The Irish Rover

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    Aug 1, 2010
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    Should hostilities once break out between Japan and the United States, it would not be enough that we take Guam and thePhilippines, nor even Hawaii and San Francisco. To make victory certain, we would have to march into Washington and dictate the terms of peace in the White House. I wonder if our politicians (who speak so lightly of a Japanese-American war) have confidence as to the final outcome and are prepared to make the necessary sacrifices.​

    That's not uncommon in officers who've done General Staff work. The top ranks, being political appointees, are acceptable to guys who have snake oil to sell to the population. The staff have to come up with ways to make the agenda work. That's not politics; that's looking at their capacities and yours and working out what your chances are. The news isn't always what the White House/No. 10/The Kremlin/Imperial Palace wants. If the higher-ups ignore the analysis and try anyway, the results are seldom pretty .

    The most startling example I can think of is the Greece-Turkey war of 1919-1922. The Greek General Staff studied the feasibility of landing in Anatolia and annexing the Greek/Christian-majority areas (as well as areas where they were a large minority). They concluded they could take and hold Izmir, but only at the cost of galvanizing the Turkish population who would rally behind nationalists and the remnants of the army in Anatolia and neuter the Ottoman govt. in Istanbul.

    The Greek army would then have to bring the Turkish army to battle to force the kind of decisive victory that leads to a final surrender. If the Turks didn't come to battle, the Greeks would have to go deeper and deeper in Anatolia to force the issue, stretching their supply lines and wearying their forces in debilitating but inconclusive battles until the Turks stood and fought. A victory would only yield more territory to be held against guerrilla resistance. A defeat would leak to a complete collapse of the Greek army, a frantic retreat, and the destruction of Greek Anatolia.

    If the WWI allied powers would intervene, something could be saved, but a rising Greece would panic the Italians (who were already angry at their puny spoils of war), and Greece's closeness to the UK would make the French increasingly obstructive, and Britain would not fight a full-scale war for Greece.

    Which is exactly what happened.

    QUOTE="The Franchise, post: 35001600, member: 251829"]On the topic of war, it is said that amateurs study tactics, while professionals study logistics.[/QUOTE]

    It was a favourite saying of Eisenhower's.

    Eisenhower wasn't a great battlefield general. Patton was. Did he disagree? Not a bit of it: "My men can eat their Goddamned belts, but my tanks gotta have gas!"
     
  8. The Irish Rover

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    This has got to be, bar none, the best thread ever
     
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  9. Sachsen

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    United States
    Marquee Moon is one of the most useless albums I've ever had the misfortune of hearing.
     
  10. Baysider

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    I think this is right but I also think it's the correct decision. It's not the ussf's role to do the dirty work. They should try to promote soccer, and if the business plan doesn't fly in the market, the market will do the dirty work on it's own.

    There's so little meaning in divisions 2 and 3 that no important decisions should be based on it - by the ussf or the owners.
     
  11. 30King

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    I found this gem on twitter

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  12. BHTC Mike

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    Because they're chancers.
     
  13. 30King

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    Frequent flyer air miles :p
     
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  14. Salvatore Giuseppe

    May 4, 2012
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    So now that they are recertified as d-ii, are they reconsidering suing us soccer for anti-trust?

    If two leagues can be d-ii, why can't two leagues be d-i?







    /obvioussarcasm
     
  15. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
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    Sporting Kansas City
    No, here's what's going to happen.

    To shed the stench of the recent past, the NASL will rebrand itself the A-League.

    And because someone on a message board said that MLS said it didn't want its farm teams in D2, the USL will split into the D2 United States Independent Soccer League (USISL) and D3 United States Dependent Soccer League, but will shorten that to the D3 Pro League to not piss off the handful of independent teams that can't meet D2 standards or don't want to be D2.

    After a couple years the A-League and the USISL will merge to form one D2 league. It'll be administered by the USL, but they'll adopt the A-League name.

    Stop me if you've heard this one.
     
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  16. The Franchise

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    "All of this has happened before, and all of it will happen again."
     
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  17. KCbus

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    Nov 26, 2000
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    You're not even trying now.
     
  18. KCbus

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    Nov 26, 2000
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    I saw someone win a half a million bucks on a game show once knowing this fact. Well, guessing it, anyway.
     
  19. Sachsen

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    Aug 8, 2003
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    "After changes upon changes, we are more or less the same."
    - Simon and Garfunkel
     
  20. Beau Dure

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  21. Revolusean

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    Aug 27, 2009
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    Any idea as to why the USSF would add "additional criteria" to the D2 standards? Is there any chance that it won't end up being another point of contention when one league complains that the additional criteria favor one of them over the other?
     
  22. VBCity72

    VBCity72 Member+

    Aug 17, 2014
    Sunny San Diego
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    United States
    In my dream world, and i'm sure none of it would be legal, but USSF would have taken control of both NASL and USL. Fire Bill Peterson and install Peter Wilt as "acting" commissioner. Keep NASL as division 2 and USL as division 3 and dissolve all of the teams ties to the leagues with the exception of the MLS2 teams. Assess each of the team tier 2 viability and place them accordingly.
     
  23. gstommylee

    gstommylee Member+

    Oct 3, 2008
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    Seattle Sounders
    That would be anti-trust illegal.
     
  24. VBCity72

    VBCity72 Member+

    Aug 17, 2014
    Sunny San Diego
    Club:
    Plymouth Argyle FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  25. tigersoccer2005

    tigersoccer2005 Member+

    Dec 1, 2003
    North Bergen, NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     

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