John Anthony Brooks at Hoffenheim

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  1. truefan420

    truefan420 Member+

    May 30, 2010
    oakland
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not talking out of my ass though. The New Zealand game you could clearly hear the goalie yelling instructions to Jozy and him not doing it. The Mexico game you couldn't hear what Guzan was saying but you could see him pointing and yelling at Jozy. Then there's the small detail that Jozy usually isn't ever tasked with marking anyone on a corner. We use a combo of man and zone. His role is in the zone. And it's exclusively in the front two zones. Who's responsible for being the first defender.

    I might not have been in the damn room but I'm not talking out of my ass to push some agenda. You can claim speculative but I'm not inventing anything. Watch our defending of corners and you'll see.
     
  2. LouisZ

    LouisZ Member+

    Oct 14, 2010
    Southern California-USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You are correct, we don't know for sure, so, what is your guess to his assignment on that play?
     
  3. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
    Dublin
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    #3103 The Irish Rover, Nov 21, 2016
    Last edited: Nov 21, 2016
    Even if - IF - Brooks did apologize, there are two other reasons why he could have still been angry with JK
    1. Yes, it was Brooks' fault, but it's the manager's job to not report the apology to the world and so point the finger at the player in question while taking the pressure off the manager. The manager's job is to (subtly) deflect the balme: "JAB could have done better, but there mistakes were already made in front of him, so it was also a collective failure that left him exposed;" "yes, that was a mistake, but there were a lot of them out there tonight. His led to a goal instead of any one of 4-5 others that didn't, and I'm as angry about those as I am about his;" etc.
    2. Brooks, like his team mates has lost confidence in Klinsi, and they're all feeling pissed and sorry for themselves, so he apologized in a "guys, I'm sorry to you for my mistake, but we're all over the place tactically so it was me this time" kind of way.
    Either way, he has grounds to be annoyed.

    Even so, that's not the problem. Mourinho ain't exactly famous for shielding the players he's angry with after making mistakes. Quite the opposite. But the players (used to) put up with it because
    • he (once) had a perfect sense of which players would respond well to being pointed at and which ones wouldn't, and he (formerly) protected the latter
    • he (has been) a coach whose tactical awareness - whether you loked his teams' play or not - was spot on so the players put up with it to win trophies. That's deserted him recently. It hasn't deserted Klinsi, because he never had it in the first place.
     
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  4. y-lee-coyote

    y-lee-coyote Member+

    Dec 4, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    Not a JK apologist, but there is that WC thing he won. Some folks consider that a maningful trophy. Never mind me or those pesky facts though, carry on....

    Klinsi Raus!!
     
  5. ttrevett

    ttrevett Member+

    Apr 2, 2002
    Atlanta, GA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  6. LouisZ

    LouisZ Member+

    Oct 14, 2010
    Southern California-USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  7. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    That's why we can't ever have nice players!
     
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  8. hype25

    hype25 Member

    Jul 17, 2016
    Dardai is right though, traveling that many miles is rough on the body, and then that only gets amplified when you're 6 foot 5 and only have two days at most to prepare.
     
  9. Sufjan Guzan

    Sufjan Guzan Member+

    Feb 13, 2016

    He didn't win the World Cup. He finished in 3rd when Germany hosted in 2006.
     
  10. ChrisSSBB

    ChrisSSBB Member+

    Jun 22, 2005
    DE
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He won it as a player and I believe he was captain. Also won a Euro cup as a player.
     
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  11. Sufjan Guzan

    Sufjan Guzan Member+

    Feb 13, 2016
    ok and if you were the best stripper in the world that does not mean you can manage a strip club.
     
  12. ChrisSSBB

    ChrisSSBB Member+

    Jun 22, 2005
    DE
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No argument from me, there! I can give Juergen his due as a player even if I don't like him as coach for the USMNT. Nothing against German coaches, either. I would have loved to see a Klinsmann for Loew swap (not that it would ever happen).
     
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  13. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
  14. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
    Dublin
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    Which he won as a player, not as a coach. Pesky fact that, no?
     
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  15. hype25

    hype25 Member

    Jul 17, 2016
    90 mins in a 3-2 win vs. Wolfsburg. Crazy match as BSC were awarded a PK in stoppage time and Kalou converted.
     
  16. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    I think a lot of people who complain/get annoyed by the reluctance of players or coaches to go to friendlies thousands of miles off don't really get this. I know just from friend's kids who play D1 soccer (or my own brief career playing college JV or even when I was traveling for business every Sunday night after playing my geezer game in the morning) that folding a sportsman's frame into a commercial airline seat, even business class, if it's old equipment, can be brutal on the joints and muscles. I don't envy these guys (or the MLS guys - lots of long travel in that league as well. )
     
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  17. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    weirdest analogy of the week hands down winner!
     
  18. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    how big of a club is Hertha Berlin in the Bundesliga? judging by history and dedication of fans and trophies (or lack thereof)?
     
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  19. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    has any former stripper ever managed a strip club?

    a question i never thought i'd ever need to ask
     
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  20. truefan420

    truefan420 Member+

    May 30, 2010
    oakland
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
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  21. truefan420

    truefan420 Member+

    May 30, 2010
    oakland
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They also play in the second largest stadium in Germany. Seats 70+k tho I don't know their attendance record
     
  22. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    Gotcha.

    though i was more curious is if are their fans like massively dedicated like say some Newcastle type fans. Also like how's the club viewed in the ranks of the Bundesliga? Over-achievers lately or mid-tier or relegation fodder
     
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  23. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
    San Francisco
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Let me look through my World Almanac of former strippers and get back to you.
     
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  24. autobus39

    autobus39 Member+

    Jun 28, 2006
    Scranton, PA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  25. Zak1FCK

    Zak1FCK Member+

    Aug 23, 2005
    Milwaukee
    Club:
    FC Kaiserslautern
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Kaiserslautern would be like Newcastle. Hertha has a complicated history because of cold war politics and that has lead to a complicated relationship with their fan base.
     
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