Why the US MNT is now superior to Mexico

Discussion in 'Mexico' started by Ronaldo's Idol, Oct 30, 2004.

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  1. Ronaldo's Idol

    Jun 13, 2004
    April 2004: US 1, Mexico 0 (Dallas, TX)
    May 2003: US 0, Mexico 0 (Houston, TX)
    June 2002: US 2, Mexico 0 (S. Korea; 2nd rnd. WC)
    April 2002: US 1, Mexico 0 (Denver, CO)
    July 2001: US 0, Mexico 1 (Mexico D.F., Mexico; WCQ)
    Feb 2001: US 2, Mexico 0 (Columbus, OH)
    Oct 2000: US 2, Mexico, 0 (Los Angeles, CA0
    June 2000: US 3, Mexico 0 (E. Rutherford, NJ)


    Record since 2000 for Mexico: 1 win, 6 losses, 1 tie
    Aggregate goals: Mexico: 1 US: 11

    And the only win came at home in WCQ by 1-0, but that was immediately preceded by a 2-0 loss on the road to the US in WCQ.


    I feel there is still some remarkable delusion amongst Mexican fans that they remain dominant in Concacaf, or even competitive, but clearly the US has absolutely dominated Mexico for the last 4 years including in meaningful games.

    How Mexico is ranked ahead of the US in FIFA rankings is beyond me...looking at the recent history one must be absolutely blind to say Mexico is better. Outscored 11 to 1, defeated in WCQ aggregate and in the World Cup itself in the elimination rounds, it just seems so blaringly obvious that the US has surpassed Mexico. And our team keeps getting better and better and better...We were still beating Mexico with Jeff Agoos, now we have 5 players deep at every position all who are better than he is. Our very best players absolutely run over Mexico (especially Landon Donovan). Our keepers are world class, we have great youth coming up, and we could pick a starting lineup made entirely of players from the first division of a top european league who all start or play regularly.

    I am very interested in seeing whether Mexican fans on this board recognize that the US has become superior or if there are some valid arguing points against that which I am not aware of.
     
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  3. Conan The Dog

    Conan The Dog New Member

    Aug 28, 2004
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  4. Ronaldo's Idol

    Jun 13, 2004

    Cheese has some vital nutrients, actually. Too much cheese is bad for your health.
     
  5. Hecho en Mexico

    Hecho en Mexico Member+

    Mar 22, 2002
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    ok, ill bite.

    good to see the us can hold its own in home games.


    the world cup was a fluke. add to that, the intentional handball by obrien that the ref didnt call.


    now, i find this quite funny.

    lets see here...

    landon donovan: he was shut down by our u23 squad.

    goalkeepers world class?

    tim howard: benched for roy carrol? roy carrol? hahaha

    brad friedel: 19th place in epl with 7 points in 10 games. one point better than norwich city.

    kasey keller: riding the pine with 11th place tottenham.

    sure they are world class. :D

    once you can get all 3 points from haiti at home then we'll talk.

    and whats this i hear about chivas usa? :p
     
  6. Ronaldo's Idol

    Jun 13, 2004
    OK, "home games" like in Houston and Dallas where the crowd is 95% pro Mexico? Any game within 750 miles of the border is pro-Mexico. Any game near LA is pro Mexico. There are far more Mexican fans in the US than US fans in the US. That argument doesn't hold water.



    The World Cup was a fluke? It was domination. One hand ball, if it becomes a goal, means the US still wins 2-1. The US dominated the game, and it was arguable the most important game for either country in a long long time, if ever. Rather than it being "fluke", you could call it a choke or simply a loss when it really counts. That is a cop-out...is the 11-1 total aggregate score also an extremely extended "fluke"? That is delusional.

    U23 doesn't matter, we have our best players on our national team. Only Donovan and Beasley were on that team. All the others were average players. The Olympics don't matter, and we didn't field our best team because of that. Donovan runs over the national team, when it matters and in friendlies.

    Brad Friedel is world class, no doubt. EPL goalie of the year in 2002, Howard in 2003. I am not a huge Howard fan, but Friedel is one of the best in the world no doubt. Just because Blackburn sucks and his defends is even worse, doesn't mean he doesn't single-handedly keep them from being relegated every year, he does. Put your favorite keeper between the pipes for Blackburn and he too will get scored on, but will he make the same saves Friedel does? Maybe not. Also, Keller is still world class, he will move to a new EPL team in the winter and start. He was simply shafted because there was a younger player of similar quality, and that younger player was tapped for being England's future keeper.

    Haiti also doesn't count, we fielded a 4th string team. Sure a regulars were there, but clearly not near full strength. Also one bad game doesn't mean anything. Didn't Mexico just recently only beat St. Vincent and the Grenadined (or the other minnow, St. Nevis) 1-0? That country must have like 100,000 people in it period. That is much worse in my opinion.

    What about Chivas USA? That has no relevance to the US national team vs. Mexico. The best US MNT players are in Europe except for just a few (Donovan, Eddie Johnson, Brian Ching, Eddie Pope). When the US is at full strength, maybe 2 MLSers start. If Donovan goes back to Germany this winter, maybe that number drops to zero. Chivas USA is irrelevant.
     
  7. Various Styles

    Various Styles Member+

    Mar 1, 2000
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Biggest U.S win has been in Jenjou other than that you have no true claim of dominance as the USMNT has not been able to beat or even score a goal in Mexico in the past ten years or longer.. .

    And why should the U.S have more points than Mexico ? because they beat Poland and Mexico in friendly games ? Or their fantabulous wcq wins against Sk Kitts ? In the Worldo Cup the U.S did the same amount of points as the MNT and they got to play and extra game. After that you sucked it up in the Confeds Cup and lost against the only meaningfull oponnent in the Gold Cup (Brazil U-23) Mexico on the other hand won the Gold Cup and got to the second round of Copa America beating the likes of Argentina and Ecuador..


    Lando and co got bitchslaped (4-0) in Olympic qualifiers by a bunch of Mexie scrubs that couldnt hack it in Athens. And Timmy Howard is no Longer Man U material. I bet the reason theres so many yank in Manure is because of the yank investor and the partnership with YES. ya gots to represent..

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  8. sidspaceman

    sidspaceman Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 20, 2002
    AMÉRICA DE CALI
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I get it when the US does bad it doesn't count but when they do good it does count.

    Guess what all those friendlies don't count cause the Mexicans didn't care.
     
  9. Ronaldo's Idol

    Jun 13, 2004

    It's "when they do well it does count". You must be Mexican.

    Erase the friendlies and what do we have? Still US dominance. WCQ and WC 2002.

    Obviously Confed. Cup and Gold Cup is irrelevant. No one cares, we don't field our top Euro players because we don't care about winning. If that is all Mexico has to brag about, along with qualifying for a U23 tourny in which they got rocked, that is pretty sad, I must say.
     
  10. sidspaceman

    sidspaceman Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 20, 2002
    AMÉRICA DE CALI
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Again when the US does bad it doesn't count right?

    You must be a dumb ass.
     
  11. sidspaceman

    sidspaceman Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 20, 2002
    AMÉRICA DE CALI
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
  12. sidspaceman

    sidspaceman Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 20, 2002
    AMÉRICA DE CALI
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
  13. Ronaldo's Idol

    Jun 13, 2004

    Ten years ago the US had scrubs. Now the US has many world class players. Ten years ago is irrelevant for comaring the teams now.

    What type of game you consider to really matter? Obviously the world cup matters, and the US beat Mexico. If world cup qualifying matters, well the US beat Mexico there too on aggregate home and away. I would argue that no other games really matter since the 98 World Cup, because the US doesn't field a full strength team outside of the World Cup because we have so many European based players.


    Your "points" about the Mexico doing as well as the US in the World Cup are ludicrous. The US played Mexico, and won, in the knockout round. The US went on, Mexico went home. The US was better.

    Copa America is irrelevant because the US wasn't there. Also, Ecuador sucks. The Gold Cup is irrelevant because it called "Gold" instead of "World" and therefore the US does not field a full strength squad. The Confed. Cup is always irrelevant.

    Olympics are for youth players, so it doesn't count when we are comparing national teams. Just because Donovan was on the team doesn't mean the US fielded anywhere near our best team. The Olympics, like everything else besides the World Cup, doesn't matter.

    I agree Tim Howard is not Man U material. So what, we have at least two other world class keepers. That is two more than Mexico.
     
  14. sidspaceman

    sidspaceman Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 20, 2002
    AMÉRICA DE CALI
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
  15. Ronaldo's Idol

    Jun 13, 2004

    Actually, its "when the US does poorly". Again, you must be Mexican.

    You just said friendlies don't count, then when I didn't count the friendlies and showed the US still is better, you say blurt out some non sequitur. The thing is, the US hasn't done poorly against Mexico since it has had its current crop of players. Only one loss, and I counted it when I erased the friendlies, because it was in a world cup qualifier. Clearly you do not understand what is going on.
     
  16. sidspaceman

    sidspaceman Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 20, 2002
    AMÉRICA DE CALI
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
  17. Danks81

    Danks81 Member

    May 18, 2003
    Philadelphia
    To their credit, Mexico's national team plays better football than ours.
     
  18. sidspaceman

    sidspaceman Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 20, 2002
    AMÉRICA DE CALI
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    To their credit the USMNT fans sure does have more racist then El Tri.
     
  19. Ronaldo's Idol

    Jun 13, 2004
    The funny thing about Mexicans is that they have all this pride about a team that sucks, and the US doesn't care about its team, and it is far better than Mexico's team. AND the US players have fleas and i am a trollio..
     
  20. Ronaldo's Idol

    Jun 13, 2004
    Also, Colombia plays well too. Even "El Pibe" knew that, that's why he came to the US to teach players how to controll the ball.
     
  21. sidspaceman

    sidspaceman Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 20, 2002
    AMÉRICA DE CALI
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
  22. sidspaceman

    sidspaceman Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 20, 2002
    AMÉRICA DE CALI
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia

    Must be why all those US players play in Europe cause the US sucks dick.
     
  23. Ronaldo's Idol

    Jun 13, 2004

    Whoohooo you just reached 9,000 posts!!!! Congratulations. I can't believe how many of those posts must have made any who read them dumber.
     
  24. Ronaldo's Idol

    Jun 13, 2004


    (now at 9,001, congrats again).

    Well the US has an 8 year old pro league, so obviously it isn't as good as the EPL or Bundesliga. But, amazingly, it is still better than Colombia's league, and is about the same as Mexico's.
     
  25. sidspaceman

    sidspaceman Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 20, 2002
    AMÉRICA DE CALI
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I can't believe that you're such a lame ass troll.
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