Pence with a Republican Congress is scary. Trump is scary too, but so long as he doesn't blow up the world, he might be better than Pence.
Oh as bad as he can possibly be, and I'm anticipating pretty ********ing bad, Pence is still much worse
See this is where liberals can get called on bullshit. We are screaming that Trump is a bad president because of his racist , anti-sematic, dangerous rhetoric, how he is an Alt-right guy, yet when it comes to Trump and just your backward conservative Republican, you guys are saying that Trump is better. So Trump can not be as horrible as we are all making him out to be, getting close to calling him the H word, and then turn around and say, well he is better than Cruz and/or Pence. I understand the opposition to Cruz and Pence policies, but Trump is supposed to be more than just policy disagreements, he is supposed to be dangerous, at least that is what we have been telling everyone. We can't be bitching about how the 3rd party voters or people that did not vote are homophobic, racist, islamophobe, ect. for allowing Trump to win and then turn around and say well him incompetence makes him better than Pence.
It's Pence's exact same ideas and policies, without the incompetence of having no clue how government works, that makes him more dangerous. They don't believe in different things in the least, my hope is that Trump will mess up trying to get a few ideas implemented. Plus, personally, Trump is more liberal than Pence. I mean he actually said (whether you can believe it or not) that he wouldn't go after marriage equality where Pence definitely would. So there is the tiniest amount of hope for a few of the people the GOP hates. But probably, Trump'll just rubber-stamp whatever Ryan and McConnel want.
So all the protesting going on currently and all the attacks on being Alt-right, is not really about Trump, they would be made about any Republican (many/most) that won the primary, Trump just made it easier. Trump is supposed to be inciting attacks on minorities because of his rhetoric. Would we have this if Cruz or Pence ran against Hillary and won? http://forums.bigsoccer.com/threads...catalog-the-hate.2036854/page-2#post-34831214
Cruz or Pence would not have so openly been spewing white power crap, so probably not as many people would have been afraid yet - so maybe not. But then they probably would have lost if they didn't do that so we'd never know. You are arguing/asking a lot of likely unrelated things so I'm not sure there's "an" answer. edit: there are attacks on being alt-right? hmmm haven't heard any, there should ALWAYS be attacks about being "alt-right" aka white nationalist
Talk of Trump splitting his time between the White House and 5th Ave. Sounds like a cop out to me. I don't think he has the stamina/attention span for the Presidency and will end up deferring to Pence. So welcome America to President Pence.
That means a Pence presidency....unchecked by either the house or the senate. I'll call it right now Trump will be enthusiastically impeached by his own party in his first term. The vote will be down party lines....with democrats universally voting to acquit.
You realize that there can be multiple reasons why someone is morally repugnant....don't you? There can be overlap...but it isn't required.
I'd be shocked. Trump would take his revenge out by recruiting and campaigning for pro-Trump GOPers in primaries. Now, I could see Trump pulling a Palin, but he won't be impeached unless he deserves it. Yeah, unsee that, bitches. Unsee that.
Oh no doubt, I understand why Pence or Cruz are repugnant to the left, but this election we have been telling everyone that Trump was this extra type or repugnant in the fascist type of way, and non (and even before) some want to claim that the fascist is not as bad as your tipical conservative asshole republican.
Hence my caveat that Trump not blow up the world. After that, I'd rather have an incompetent opponent in office rather than one that enacts the entire conservative agenda. I see that I may be misunderestimating him again. What's the H word?
I repped your post, but I want to defend those on the other side from you. They may be of the belief that Trump's POLICIES won't be as bad as those of Pence. Their problem with Trump is that he is normalizing racism, anti-Semitism, and amateurism. The reason Trump's election left me feeling like someone died, a completely different feeling from 1984, 1988, 2004, and even 2000, is that his mere election is (in my view) a tragedy. In the past when a GOP won, I had some hope that their policies would work. Also, I didn't fear that whatever they did will be irreversible no matter how awful. In this case, it ain't about the policies. It's that a majority of...well, not Americans, but of EC votes, and a too-damn-close-to majority of voters...voted for a man whose closest historical analogies all lie outside of the US. They're people like Hitler and Mussolini, and I don't write that lightly. It's a legitimate fear to wonder if we'll have a functioning* media in 2020. It's a legitimate fear if we'll have fair voting in 2020. And it's a legitimate fear to wonder if, with the Russians having been successful this time, if they won't ratchet up how they interfere with our elections. *It's barely functioning now. There's a reason the debates talked so much about emails and not one damn word about climate change. There's a reason the Russians were able to get the networks to do their bidding. There's a reason Facebook isn't going to deploy its software for combating the dissemination of untrue stories from a small village in Macedonia.
Fvcking Macedonians, Alexander wants to be great again. Also European governments are in a bind, How can they basically ignore their far right parties and not work with them (some are) and then go have meeting with Donald Trump? When Golden Done (dome?) in Greece, the AdF (I think) in Germany get into government and the other parties do not want to work with them for being far right, they can accuse the parties of double standard of sitting down with Trump but refusing to negotiate with their own versions of Donald Trump. To me that is why Trump is much worse than a Cruz or a Pence as President.
Reminds me of one of those totally ineffectual parents. "No Johnny, stop that Johnny. I mean it, Johnny. I'm gonna count to...PLEASE stop, Johnny!
The banana republic strongman political playbook says to invent an existential threat or enemy shortly before elections to distract the people from voting one out. Count on this from this lot. And the same folks will fall for it.
I am going to go ahead and label the USMNT as a Trump failure. Since the election they have sucked donkey balls. And not even the good, fast, strong, and independent donkey; that skinny one over there in the corner weeping. Hmm, I may have accidentally made a good analogy of my party just trying to be crude about my shit soccer team
You hafta see this guy Klinsmann...awww awwww (mocking NY Times writer)...i didnt think we needed a strong back line in Costa Rica....awww awwww