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  1. Orange14

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    Birth certificates are all publicly recorded. Illegal immigrants whose children are born in a US hospital get a birth certificate and by law are US citizens. So there are public records in this case. In addition, all legal immigrants have to register with the US government if they are going to stay past a certain length of time or work within the US (I think the EU has similar laws).
     
  2. Orange14

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    They cannot vote so they really are not handing the election to the Democrats. In addition, legal Latino citizens do not have very high percentage of voters relative to the total who are eligible to vote.
     
  3. Brilliant Dutch

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    Which is where those videos posted earlier come in, the head of the elections board goes on record saying they bus in Latino's, Chinese...etc and make them vote illegally.

    But you refuse to even look at the videos, so I think you're being a little unfair in the debate.
    I at least will watch whatever video or link you post, even if it goes against my political beliefs
     
  4. Orange14

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    #404 Orange14, Oct 24, 2016
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    The videos are illegally recorded and massively cut to show only Project Vertas's point of view. Many critics have already commented on them saying things are taken out of context and manipulated. Leni Riefenstahl couldn't have done a better job.

    all the of recent efforts to demonstrate voter fraud have come up with only a very small number of cases. This is just not an issue that I'm wasting any time on.

    Here is the best source on voter fraud and other stuff related to elections: http://electionlawblog.org/
     
  5. Orange14

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    This is pretty funny:

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  6. Brilliant Dutch

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  7. Just to get a rep from BD:
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...linton-investors-business-daily-a7377206.html

    Donald Trump two points ahead of Hillary Clinton in poll that has accurately predicted last three presidential elections
    Most polls predict the Democrat candidate winning, including another new national survey which shows her soaring to a double-digit lead

    And for his chimney:

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    If he prints it mirrored it is like ....ahum ...well...you know:D
     
  8. Brilliant Dutch

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    I have to seriously question that, O14.

    Its a bit like saying police corruption rarely happens because there are so few cops arrested for it.
    I can tell you from personal experience (my best friend from high-school is a cop) that is not the case. For every cop arrested there are hundreds of thousands of other cops getting away with it.

    I'm mainly talking about small things, like keeping drugs they find. Keeping cash they find on drug dealers. Making parking tickets disappear for friends. Letting other cops off on drunk driving when they get caught.....etc...etc.

    So when you say there's very little voter fraud, I would argue its just very few people who get caught.
    And the videos previously posted would support my argument
     
  9. Orange14

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    @Brilliant Dutch - I agree with your example but to say that voter fraud is wide spread is difficult to prove. In all the studies that have been conducted for recent elections there have been very few examples. I don't know about areas outside of where I live but in our state everything is computerized and you are double checked when you show up to vote. They could not bus in lots of people to my precinct with the hope that they will all be able to vote for Trump (our area is probably 95% of Clinton right now) as they would not be on the voter roll. I suspect all other states have similar requirements.

    Personally, I'm not opposed to voter identification cards as long as they can be reasonably obtained and are not designed to block one group or another from voting. If it is a requirement then it's up to the political parties to make sure that their voters are properly registered. Right now in Indiana the Democrats registered a bunch of new voters (200,000 mayber, I forget the exact number) but the Republicans that control the voter registration offices are trying to stop this effort. That's the kind of think that I don't like.

    Regarding the videos, it's like saying everything posted on YouTube is true.
     
  10. Brilliant Dutch

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  11. Brilliant Dutch

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  12. Orange14

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    There will be a nice radio show this afternoon on the "Fresh Air" program interviewing Rick Hasen whose blog I already posted. The link to the show will be on later this evening and I'll post it so you can listen. You will learn more from that 40 minute interview than in all the dicey websites you are reading.:rolleyes: I think TMZ thinks that alien lifeforms have invaded the US.
     
  13. Brilliant Dutch

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    I will not have you speak of Mexicans that way
     
  14. #417 feyenoordsoccerfan, Oct 26, 2016
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    What do you think about this? In the Netherlands afew hundred of scientists, councilors and municipality directors make a call in a manifest for a change in local democracy. They want the town council only for a part be formed by elections. Three times a year 150 citizens will be drawn by lots to gather for making decisions, which than will be carried out/executed by the the Mayor and City Counsel Members.
    It's a little bit like the ancient Greece system. The system, where on broken pottery parts names of the citizens were written and at the agora were drawn to decide who would run the city for a while. It's a brilliant system, as it prevents corruption, because no one knows who's going to be in charge.
     
  15. Orange14

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  16. Did Trump really say this?
    If there are no sponsored terror attacks before Election Day, it means ISIS prefers Clinton. They have the means. Think about it. #Trump
     
  17. DSC05

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    My goodness I loathe election coverage in my daily life and now I'm having to read about it here. Why do you people have to be so cruel :(.
     
  18. Orange14

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    @Brilliant Dutch - early voting began this morning here in Maryland. I did my civic duty and voted. The line was pretty long which was surprising. They said that over 500 had voted when I got there at 11.00.
     
  19. Brilliant Dutch

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    Let me guess, you didn't vote for Trump?? :D
     
  20. JC-14

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  21. Brilliant Dutch

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