Jay Heaps and Rusty Pierce

Discussion in 'New England Revolution' started by Arisrules, Oct 6, 2002.

  1. Arisrules

    Arisrules Member

    Feb 19, 2000
    Washington, DC
    I am sorry to say that I am very dissapointed in these two players. The constant baiting of opposing players. Sure it's part of the game, but at some point, it becomes ridiculous.

    One example of Heaps is after Hernandez was fouled very roughly by Torres. A necessary yellow was given. Why on earth did Heaps run up and act so big and tough to Torres after he was given the yellow. Who does he think he is?

    These two guys have made no friends in MLS. I wouldn't be surprised of very rough tackles on both of these players in the future, just because of their attitudes.

    I also have to give my regards to Nicol. The quality of the Revolution is absolutely astounding compared to their earlier play this year. I thought both sides played very good, exciting soccer. I enjoyed this match very much.
     
  2. Elizabeth

    Elizabeth New Member

    Apr 22, 2002
    Columbus, Ohio
    Appreciate the echo of the thoughts in columbus. hHernandez in particular was very unprofessional tonight. heaps...well..bad judgment. But Hernandez got away with murder.

    Wasn't he that slid into McBride from behind in an apparent attempt to hurt him? And Brian no call hall...was an idiot. hernandez should be out for the next game. Take a look at your tape on that one.

    Taking McBride out that way is very very stupid. In more ways than what affects this game. If Brian was to be hurt enough for rehab...hernandez just shot himself in the achiles.
     
  3. Arisrules

    Arisrules Member

    Feb 19, 2000
    Washington, DC
    Hernandez got a yellow for that tackle. There definately was a call by Hall on that one. I am absolutely positive. That's why McBride received a yellow a few minutes later when he tried to football tackle hernandez.
     
  4. 3stripe

    3stripe Member

    Indy Eleven
    Oct 14, 2001
    Brickyard Battalion
    yea, but a vicious tackle from behind....should have been a red...

    ive never had a particular reason to dislike heaps (except for the fact that he's from duke)...but tonight, what's with the air punches?

    great game by brown....

    your commentators have to go though....they really dont know anything at all
     
  5. 3stripe

    3stripe Member

    Indy Eleven
    Oct 14, 2001
    Brickyard Battalion
    one more thing:
    mcbride's retaliation - it's about time we see him get tough like that...he's always taking a beating and never dishing it back out....hernandez got what he started (although he shouldnt have been in the game at that point).
     
  6. Elizabeth

    Elizabeth New Member

    Apr 22, 2002
    Columbus, Ohio
    Right...but what happened to the red automatic with that call? is it objective? I dont' understand why it is never a red. He could have been hurt badly and a yellow comes out. BS on Hall.
     
  7. glennmcdonald

    glennmcdonald Member

    Mar 18, 2000
    Cambridge, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    Estonia
    Go back to your own board.
     
  8. Bruce S

    Bruce S Member+

    Sep 10, 1999
    I don't know what you guys are on about. I think the Revs and Crew both got the same # of cards and deserved it. It was chippy both ways. By the way, unless Pierce was wearing a mike, how do you know that Cunningham wasn't taunting Pierce rather then the other way around? I saw both of their jawws moving a lot.
    I disagree with Aris completely. I thought Pierce and Heaps played well. Rusty is probably the only defender in MLS with the pace to match Cunningham.
     
  9. sandman012

    sandman012 Member

    Sep 22, 2000
    Providence
    if you look at the Hernandez tackle, you can see that McBride starts turning to his right, Hernandez commits that way with his tackle to get stuff him from behind/side, but McBride goes the other way, and turns his back into Hernandez's tackle. ENded up being bad, from behind, clearing him out ... but I don't think that was the intent. A yellow was the correct call.

    Rusty Pierce was a little over the top with his demonstrativeness ... kinda like McCarthy.

    I had no problem wih Heaps being fired up.
     
  10. soccertim

    soccertim Member

    Mar 29, 2001
    Mass
    If you consider that Pierce has been injured for a month and has only been practicing for a week, you have to be impressed with his game, especially the way that he kept up with Cunningham. He prefers playing right back, but he's done a terrific job in the middle. A pairing of a healthy Pierce with Kante should really give us a solid back line enxt year.

    If you consider the fact that Daniel Hernandez comes to the defense of all of his teammates (including fouling players that get overly aggressive with us) then it's good to see the other players rally to his defense.
     
  11. Elizabeth

    Elizabeth New Member

    Apr 22, 2002
    Columbus, Ohio
    Nope...the count is...from what is reported...Crew 5 NE 2...with a booking. Way outcarded. And Rusty elbowed Cunningham while both getting up...Cunningham just gave him a small retaliation...and Rusty shved back...should have been an equal carding.
     
  12. sandman012

    sandman012 Member

    Sep 22, 2000
    Providence
    LOL. Maybe someone on the Crew board will agree with you.
     
  13. Arisrules

    Arisrules Member

    Feb 19, 2000
    Washington, DC
    Why don't I like Pierce? Because he has been doing it his whole career. He came in for 45 minutes against the Fire, and his slide tackle on Curtin was just as vicious as the afrorementioned McBride tackle by Hernandez.

    I have no problem with chippy play, but at some point you have to keep the trash talking down, and play the game.
     
  14. sandman012

    sandman012 Member

    Sep 22, 2000
    Providence
    You're right. Rusty is the devil.
     
  15. Jon Martin

    Jon Martin Member+

    Apr 25, 2000
    SE Mass
    He's entitled to his point of view, sandman.

    I think you have to separate the Rusty attitude from the Rusty play. If you don't like Rusty the person, fine, whatever. Rusty is not, however, a dangerous player by MLS standards. Don't agree? Name someone he seriously injured.
     
  16. rscaramelo

    rscaramelo Coach/Hack Defender

    May 5, 1999
    MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This thread is a joke. Rusty and Jay were two of the top players on the pitch today. I want my guys to be fired-up for a playoff game. They both played very well. Also, I'll take Rusty over Llamosa any day of the week.

    RC
     
  17. soccertim

    soccertim Member

    Mar 29, 2001
    Mass
    Rusty's tackle on Curtin was worthy of a yellow, but it wasn't vicious. Curtin saw him coming the whole way, the tackle was from the front, and the contact was clipping one of his shins from the front. I doubt that it would have been described as vicious in the WUSA.

    As Jon Martin asked, can you name anyone that he's injured in the last 3 years? How about a game when he was ejected? How about a yellow for dissent?

    While he hasn't had his best year (due to injury) he's had some terrific games. He plays as hard as anyone on the team, and he's their best one on one defender. In fact, in an interview, Jason Kreis said that he was the toughest defender to play against in the MLS.
     
  18. George Griffin

    George Griffin New Member

    Feb 18, 1999
    Prince Edward Island
    What I want from a defender is focused intensity as well as skill. Both Rusty and Jay are classic examples of hard nosed, leave it all on the field, blue color defenders. They have been playing exceptionally well and I'm not surprised that fans of our opponents don't like them. They are regularly shutting teams down. SN has been a hell of a mentor for them and I predict that they will continue to improve under his guidence.
     
  19. Futebol

    Futebol New Member

    Jan 8, 2000
    Southeastern Bawston
    Well at least we finally can say the opposition received more calls than we did!! It was fairly ridiculous in the first series, even at home, to have so many calls go against you. Not that I am a homer. Far from it, but some equality would be nice.

    Regarding the play of Heaps, it is laughable that any one from New England would be upset with his play!!! If he weren't on the back line the last 5 weeks, this team would be out of the playoffs. Not that he is the only reason, but he has stepped up his game dramatically.

    His "air punches" were a bit extreme, but explain to me why the opposing player didn't drop the ball and run back to his position. Wasn't he likewise inciting things? Move on and talk about relevant topics.

    Pierce isn't great, but he is the best we have. He has been hurt and he has come in and done a great job. Where would the Revs be without his solid play back there? He needs to temper his emotions a bit. Yes, exuberance is needed and appreciated, but pick your spots. When he learns to temper his emotions he will truly become a superior player! A classy veteran with talent could really help this process along nicely!

    That is what I thought he did yesterday! Cunningham was equally mouthy and played with his usual edge. Stop whining about poor Cunningham being elbowed. I saw him throw several himself.

    I hope that the weather will be warm so Llamosa can go the full game. If he can't then we will be in serious trouble, although as a stopgap Kamler is beginning to look like our new McKinley!
     

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