http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=nike+tiempo+legend+14&_sacat=0 I can see FG, AG, and SG tiempos, so even at that size there are some reasonable options.
LOL - I didn't know how to word it! The new ones basically. I like the elite pack SF and just wondered how they fitted because when I had my size in the first ones with the collar I found the to be a little bit small. But thanks for that! appleCORR
Apologies on my end, was reading/replying on my iPhone and overlooked the assignment of quotations by you. My suggestion, if possible, is to have several of the same boot for different surfaces. That way there is less adjustment when alternating boots for conditions. If you can carry the whole line into a turf and indoor model even better. I am big on wearing the same boot across the board unless you are getting MTM boots as a pro that always fit you well. It reduces distractions and complications. Right now NikeID is offering the HG outsole on the Tiempo; if there is play between AG and FG regularly, this is the most universal option. The outsole is very flexible, it is designed to work on a variety of surfaces (FG, HG, AG) and has the rubber grind on the toe to prevent turf burn on AG. The outsole is also riveted to the upper, which is no longer offered in any other Nike boot on the retail market in the US. This will add lots of life to the boot. The stud length is perfect for just about anything surface wise with no drag, catching, or rotational issues. If there is some limited concern over the HG studs being too short for very thick grass or soft/muddy pitches, snag the HG and the SG-Pro option to keep costs down and have two boots that will get you through just about any surface condition you can face as a player. The other alternative is to get FG, AG, and possibly SG-Pro, but given NikeId prices that will clip about $750 for a kid that sounds like he is still growing; probably not the wisest spend, especially as no one boot will get that much love with that many options in the bag. Some FG boots are transferable, but with planned obsolescence being the driver of design these days many are not equipped to handle the heat, abrasion, hard stops, and general wear and tear of AG. Even more so the studs on most FG boots are entirely too long for AG too really be safe (aka release) on the turf. I read the Footy-Boots article a few days back, but found it lacking real substance or effective alternatives that couldn't be found via various other methods. It isn't totally useless, but doesn't cover the depth of info that you're looking for.
Unfortunately, based upon my searches so far, finding the HG in my son's size may not be an option, at least not in the Tiempos. We probably have to get the FG and AGs, and then the SG-Pros later in the season when his schedule is busier and he will be playing on random grass surfaces in tournaments in varying conditions. What do you think of the Nike Premier Boot? It's a bit heavy in today's environment that's leaning toward the lighter boots for better touch and speed which is my son's strong point, but the kangaroo leather will give and last awhile, right? This basic model may be an easier sell given his affinity for Nike.
K-Leather will give some, it does last well if taken care of and used with in reason. I think the Premier is the best all around boot on the market for the price, if you can find it for around $100ish. It is one of the few FG options that easily transfers to AG with no problem and the lasting (foot model it is built upon) is the same as the HV and Legend meaning it will fit most feet well. If you are going to go that route, I would suggest getting two or three pairs though...they work well on AG, but get beat up there so your boy will likely shred them before a season is up. Plus it would be nice to have a pair to train in and a pair for matches once both are broken in. There is a six stud SG model as well, but I am not sure if they offer that in your son's size. I prefer six studs to mixed/SG-pro for soft ground, but I grew up when six studs were the norm, not mixed. I have just noticed the inability to get AG or HG on NikeId in the 14....sorry, I thought it existed, but I had it as a 12 or 13 at the time of search. NikeId isn't friendly to use on an iPad Pro, despite the great screen size. I'll keep searching for some AG options for you in a 14. Again, I would strongly consider the Magista, HyperVenom, or Tiempo in a 13 if possible as it sounds like length isn't that much of an issue, it is more width and Nike is the preferred brand. Do you have access to a store where you can try a 13 in the Legend, HV, Magista and the Premier for sizing purposes? I really think the super tight fit of the Vapor is forcing your son's need to size up a bit more than you might realize. In terms of weight, it doesn't really matter much, honestly...most of that is marketing at it's finest, but kids eat it up. If anything the constant arms race for the lightest boot is at a point of diminishing returns on comfort, protection, stability, and durability. No one wants a clunker, me included, but virtually everything is still super light. I would argue that NBA players are just as explosive and quick as soccer player on short sprints and a light basketball shoe is still 13oz or more on it's listed weight...Also, the listed weight in a boot is often the weight of the very smallest size on the market (6.5 US), that 1/2 the size of your son at least, so double it for him. A 7.2oz Magista Obra is going to be 14.4 in a 13US for example.
Would he like to consider Adidas instead? I've heard that they recently released plastic screw in studs. What this means is that you can get those SG boots (which are the metal mixed with plastic studs), and swap out the removable studs depending on your surfaces, would be pretty helpful I suspect. Also, might be an idea to look at some of the Adidas rugby series, those might come in larger sizes, noting that Rugby players tend to be more bulky etc.
Apple just to let you know im wearing pitch black not elite but i doubt the sizing would change between colours. I annoyed that there are no sg elite sfv. Sole plate still feels a but weird but have my 3rd game in them coming up tomorrow
The bit that I was concerned about was the plastic internal heel counter. It really cut my foot up in the previous model. It was just a blister magnet. appleCORR
Definitely interested in the pics/review match sleeves, trying to decide between them and the storelli sleeves. I'd rather get the Nike ones but they are crazy expensive
I'd go for the storelli. It's nice to have shinguards stay in place all the time. Neither will give a lot of protection so the built in shinguard pocket takes it for me. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N910A using Tapatalk
Its odd i got no blisters from sfiv the only one that gave me trouble was sf1. Sfv have given no heel problems so far
yea the storelli ones have my attention, especially as they have the poron inserts on the calf to help protect those pesky kicks from the back
Here are a few pictures of the sleeves. They do what they advertise, though maybe not any better than the Storellis. They have very tacky rubber applications on the ankle and under the nike logo, to keep them and your shin guards in place, very effectively I might add. I've had zero issues needing to adjust during games so far. The padded portions are well placed, and give you a little more confidence getting stuck in, though you'll still feel a tackle. Idk... are they overpriced for what they are? Sure. Do I regret buying them? Nope. On another note, the tech craft Vapors are brilliant. Everything I hoped they would be.
It depends how tight you want them - they upper does give slightly but not too much and the design of the boot is quite narrow to begin with. I would lean toward half a size up as that what I did with mine and they have room in them but are a nice fit, is there nowhere you can try on a cheaper model to get an idea for size? appleCORR
On top of the sizing question how do they compare to the Obra 1's? I want the new colorway coming out in the 2's so wondering if TTS or half size up?
I hate these questions because I can only tell you how they fit on my foot - I don't want to advise anyone and they end up getting the wrong size. When you first get them, they are really narrow. But as they break in the toe of the boot widens after a few wears. I'd say maybe half a size up. They are a completely different boot compared to the 1s. The upper is stiffer. I was quite surprised when I got them out the box actually you could like knock your fist on them and they would make a sound. It's like they have been covered in a waterproof coating and you can feel the protective pads that they have out in the upper. To be honest they reminded me of the Hypervenom's more than the 1s. With the 1s I would have said they were the most sock like boots you could buy it was like wearing nothing on your feet. These are completely different. I like them though. You can ping a ball really nicely in them and they have a lovely touch when controlling the ball. Not really a fan of the new collar as it's already gone out of shape a bit but it has stopped the problem of the cramping/bruising sensation down your Achilles tendon which I did used to get after wearing the 1s for over an hour. I think they are an improvement on the 1s and they look great. I know they aren't everyone's cup of tea looks wise but I love the heat map. So sizing I'd say maybe half a size up - but as I've said before it depends on how snug you like your boots. appleCORR
Yeah fair enough it is a hard question to answer but from what you have said it makes sense, I half a sized up in the 1's and like you said the toe box has widen after a few wears in them. I love my 1's, probably the best boot i have worn in recent years, maybe since the Messi 10.1 which i still wear to this day. If this is the next release color i'm going to pick them up and give them a try! http://www.footyheadlines.com/2016/07/teal-nike-magista-obra-ii-2016-2017-boots.html
I hadn't seen that colourway it's really nice! They are nice boots. Just totally different from the ones but still nice. I think you've done the right thing going half size up in them I was quite surprised with how narrow they were when I got them out of the box. appleCORR
And the latest from Nike. EA sports collaboration to celebrate Fifa17. http://news.nike.com/news/nike-football-ea-sports-mercurial
I think they look great - Well the side that's like pixels does. Not too keen on the rest of the boot to be honest. How limited are these ones going to be? appleCORR
Yea, I've heard that from quite a few reviews, which really surprised me. Everyone's saying they've got the best of both world's, padded touch when controlling ball, but that nice pingy sensation when you shoot. Can't wait for them to go on discount and getting a pair to try em out. Only annoying thing is how long the AG Pro studs are, so might just grab the FG ones in the end