2016-2017 UEFA Champions League thread [R]

Discussion in 'FC Porto' started by DiogoPT, Aug 25, 2016.

  1. BatatasFritas

    BatatasFritas Member+

    Nov 29, 2004
    Toronto
    Club:
    FC Porto
    I predict Christmas send off if this crap continues and if we don't make it to the next round.
     
  2. theFOOTBALLlover

    FC Porto, SC Freamunde & Fraser Park FC
    Jan 17, 2015
    Sydney
    Do you guys think it is just NES? We've been in decline for 3 years now and we've had countless coaches who haven't been able to turn around the trend. I think the biggest problem is our recruiting. We aren't buying the players we used to.
     
  3. vaiamerda

    vaiamerda Member+

    Feb 27, 2011
    Sad but true, but who the fuc k do we get then??

    I like NES and want him desperately to succeed but I just don't see it happening.

    Like I said, who then. Marco Silva seems like he's fallen off the face of the planet.
    Do we go after MS????

    What's frustrating is that these clowns had a great opportunity to build some momentum after beating VG.
     
  4. BatatasFritas

    BatatasFritas Member+

    Nov 29, 2004
    Toronto
    Club:
    FC Porto
    Well, the administration collapsed the last few years and it had a trickle down effect in all departments including the futebol team. We took massive risks on some coaches like Vitor Pereira (wasn't so bad, won the league) Paulo Fonseca and Flopetegui. Those gambles failed, our scouts dropped the ball, and we got stuck with expensive flops Like Imbula, Brahimi, etc...

    Last year's Champions League campaign was a disgrace and getting absolutely demolished by Bayern after a convincing 3-1 win at home 2 years ago was an embarrassment.
     
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  5. BatatasFritas

    BatatasFritas Member+

    Nov 29, 2004
    Toronto
    Club:
    FC Porto
    Marco Silva was doing some pundit jobs in Portugal during the Euro. Probably waiting for NES to get the boot now so he can try his luck with Porto.
     
  6. ibbyruns

    ibbyruns Member

    Nov 17, 2009
    Barcelona
    Club:
    --other--
    Still think Ricardo Carvalho could've helped this defense. He might not have the legs he used to but his experience would help this backline. Agreed with the front players seeming lazy at times, in particular Otávio and Corona.

    NES really has a few things to sort out before Leicester City.
     
  7. heavy1981

    heavy1981 Member

    Jul 20, 2008
    Toronto
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal

    Personally, I think PDC should be at fault a bit here.

    When AVB came to Porto and won you guys everything that year, teams came knocking (rightfully so) and Porto sold AVB for a decent amount of coin.
    What happened next? Well, Porto brings in Victor Pereria, who won 2 consecutive titles and 2 supertacas if i'm not mistaken.
    Here is where I scratch my head. After 2 successful years, why does Porto let VP go?

    He brings in Fonseca who fails. Castro takes over for rest of year.

    Brings in Lupetegiu who essentially asks Porto to open their wallets and spend all this money on spanish players and he doesn't win squat. Rui Barros takes over for a couple of weeks and they bring in Peseiro for a couple of months.

    If you had no intention to keep Peseiro, why bother bring him in for a couple of months?

    NES is hired and I believe that he was the only viable option left.
    If you believe what you read, porto tried hard for JJ. Marco Silva probably would've came to porto if it wasn't for the clause that doesn't allow him to return to portugal until next season. AVB said he wanted a year off.

    So it seems like Porto hired NES by default for the year, and call me crazy, but I strongly think AVB will be your coach next year.
     
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  8. theFOOTBALLlover

    FC Porto, SC Freamunde & Fraser Park FC
    Jan 17, 2015
    Sydney
    I'd love to have AVB back. My favourite Porto coach since I started supporting the club. The football we played under him was unbelievable.
     
  9. theFOOTBALLlover

    FC Porto, SC Freamunde & Fraser Park FC
    Jan 17, 2015
    Sydney
    I don't think the problem is the defence. From what I've seen (I've watched 3-4 games this season), we struggle to win the ball higher up the pitch due to the lack of physique and the inability to read our opponents and intercept the play.
     
  10. DiogoPT

    DiogoPT Member

    Apr 14, 2016
    Porto
    Club:
    FC Porto
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Guys like Otavio and corona can't win 50-50 balls and that is what does it for us

    4-3-3 is too thin in the middle rather go 4-4-2
     
  11. theFOOTBALLlover

    FC Porto, SC Freamunde & Fraser Park FC
    Jan 17, 2015
    Sydney
    I agree but I think if if we played the ball on the deck like Barcelona to our front three, that issue would be minimised and we'd also need three tough midfielders to compensate.
     
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  12. BatatasFritas

    BatatasFritas Member+

    Nov 29, 2004
    Toronto
    Club:
    FC Porto
    Look at the players he had at his disposal though. Now, we have a bunch of nobodies, even AVB would struggle.
     
  13. BatatasFritas

    BatatasFritas Member+

    Nov 29, 2004
    Toronto
    Club:
    FC Porto
    Yeah, PDC has being messing up big time. Only some hard core PDC chourico riders don't like to admit it.

    PDC did not like VP's style of futebol. I wasn't a big fan of VP but he went undefeated for the whole season. Sure he failed in the CL but he won the league. Who else has won after him?

    Huge power struggles with the administration and money has gotten in the way. Everyone wants a piece of the pie and it is coming to an end.

    Looks like PDC and Reinaldo Teles have made piece so we will see what happens.

    I still feel that a guy like Hulk should of never been sold for any kind of money. We could of easily paid him even more than what he makes now.
     
  14. ibbyruns

    ibbyruns Member

    Nov 17, 2009
    Barcelona
    Club:
    --other--
    Agreed that in a 4-3-3 a front six of Óliver, Danilo, Herrera, Otávio, Corona, and André Silva is pretty lightweight. Danilo is the only one who brings any strength into the midfield. I'd prefer to see André André or Ruben Neves in for Herrera at this point. Herrera is just so damn inconsistent and doesn't bring enough aggressiveness if you've got lighter, creative players like Óliver and Otávio in there. That said, when you're at home against a team like Copenhagen, everyone should be pressing and winning the ball high up the pitch.
     
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  15. DiogoPT

    DiogoPT Member

    Apr 14, 2016
    Porto
    Club:
    FC Porto
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Copenhagen was only able to equalize due to the fact they have a striker that is big and used his size to his advantage

    Andreas Cornelius looked like a bad footballer couldn't run or pass or even hold up the ball but his size was crucial in the air

    4-3-3 is too narrow and the team needs 4 MFs.

    Danilo is the only strong one and Herrera has some size but lacks aggressiveness. Andre Andre is smaller but had Garra and Neves needs to start.

    If NES wants to play defensive football even against the likes of Copenhagen then have the sense to put Danilo with Neves in the center and Otavio and Corona feeding the ball to Andre Silva with Herrera playing a true CM .
     
  16. heavy1981

    heavy1981 Member

    Jul 20, 2008
    Toronto
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Agreed!!

    Portugal's style of football wasn't pretty either, but they won the Euro.

    You're right, Porto hasn't won the title since VP left.
     
  17. BatatasFritas

    BatatasFritas Member+

    Nov 29, 2004
    Toronto
    Club:
    FC Porto
    I feel like VP would of continued to do well with his system. He was kind of like Jesualdo Ferreira in a sense. He didn't have a big ego but got the job done with the exception of the CL.
     
  18. BGADK

    BGADK Member

    Jun 6, 2009
    The danish commentators noted that Porto was vulnerable from passes from the sides to the far post. Cornelius had a good chance in the first half from exactly that position. Another soft spot on the Porto team, they noted that the central defenders were a bit slow.
    The two attackers used in the Porto game: Cornelius and Santander, Cornelius is the strong player, good in the arial game and good at holding and defending the ball. Santander is the fast and technical player, but even he had good header in the first half, which not typical of him.
    The commentators had a lot of respect for Portos front men and wings, with emphasis (during the game) on the performances of Otavio and Layun.

    Before the game started, they noted that with the Copenhagen lineup, the coach had chosen the players which would be able to close the spaces in the midfield and attack, and avoid the high press game so typical of Porto. There was a quite detailed analysis of the Porto game against Roma.

    In champions league Copenhagen has traditionally been a very strong home team, and a relatively weak team away, but maybe with this team it is changing.
     
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  19. BGADK

    BGADK Member

    Jun 6, 2009
    Absent from the Copenhagen side in Porto, were Verbic and Falk, which are two good technical players. But generally this generation, do not have the major stars which have been earlier Copenhagen teams.

    In 2010 there where Grønkjær, but today it is difficult to name a single player which stands above the team.

    Some memories from 2010:


    They essentially were equal to FC Barcelona in that match:


    The present generation is better than the last few years, but I do not think that they are up to the 2010 team.
     
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  20. BGADK

    BGADK Member

    Jun 6, 2009
    Anyway, with the Porto team I saw in the match on wednesday, I don't think you will have to much trouble going on to the next stage. Brugge will not be a problem, and I do think your team will have the ability to win twice against Leicester.
     
  21. DiogoPT

    DiogoPT Member

    Apr 14, 2016
    Porto
    Club:
    FC Porto
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Jesualdo Ferreira is a very underrated coach and is a great motivator. He made Quaresma the player he is today aswell as Lucho.

    Thanks for your opinion. Our defense is exactly what you mentioned but they are still getting a feel for one another. Felipe was brought in from Cotinthians Paulista and Marcano looks a lot better than last year. I still believe that Chidoize and Verdasca will get chances at CB this season not to mention Danilo can also play there and Neves can play CDM.

    I am also familiar with Kobenhavn due to their ties with Benfica years ago.

    Overall considering the obstacles we had to Endure to make the Champions League and Nuno is a new manager and FCK have Stollbaken who knows that club inside out I'm not to concerned about a draw.
    I disagree with you on this Vic. All due respect this team has quality


    Jesus Corona
    Yacine Brahimi
    Ruben Neves
    Otavio
    Miguel Layun
    Andre Silva
    Depoitre


    Also Felipe was one of the Brasileirão's best CB last year and had been on the radar of some big clubs.

    Marcano also had a lot of experience and looks more comfortable out there

    I honestly believe it's more of an issue of tatics.

    4-3-3 won't work I would love to see Brahimi on the Left and Otavio on the right with Corona and either Andre Silva or Depoitre up top.

    Size and pace up top in a 4-4-2
     
  22. DiogoPT

    DiogoPT Member

    Apr 14, 2016
    Porto
    Club:
    FC Porto
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    I respect Nuno and his honesty hopefully we see some changes in the 11. I'm not ready to throw out the white flag but I don't think Andre Silva should be starting imho.

    Also loaning out Victor Garcia was not that smart of a move he has been great on loan and would of come in handy

    So far I like our signings but I expected Alex Telles to be doing better, too early to say anything about Depoitre but he will be a good signing hopefully, he is someone who could flourish here decent pace for a big man. Hopefully Silva proves me wrong. That back heel assist despite being nice and critical to the 1-1 score was more luck than anything he almost didn't hit it hard enough but to have the intelligence to pull it off was brilliant to see.

    Impressed with Miguel Layun he has all the intangibles to be a big peice for us.
     
  23. heavy1981

    heavy1981 Member

    Jul 20, 2008
    Toronto
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    they way VP won the 2nd title was epic. Against Benfica pass from liedson to kelvin and hammered it home!! VP went nuts and JJ dropped to his knees.
     
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  24. BatatasFritas

    BatatasFritas Member+

    Nov 29, 2004
    Toronto
    Club:
    FC Porto
    Yeah, we were basically trolling them with players who didn't play any type of role throughout the season. Liedson retired and kelvin disappeared.
     
  25. theFOOTBALLlover

    FC Porto, SC Freamunde & Fraser Park FC
    Jan 17, 2015
    Sydney
    I didn't like VP's style either and I thought we needed someone else to take us forward (UCL specifically) but hindsight is a beautiful thing and we haven't been the same club since. Maybe it's just a coincidence.
     

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