2016 Regular Season Player Movement and Rumors

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  1. Boyertown2003

    Boyertown2003 Member

    Jul 21, 2009
    Philadelphia
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'll see what I can find out.

    -kk
     
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  2. billf

    billf Member+

    May 22, 2001
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #1052 billf, Aug 24, 2016
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    Again, the Union cannot settle. At this point accepting and paying the fees is not allowed by the USSF. MLS will handle this for the Union and I'd expect the PU to file a brief against paying the fee as well. This isn't about this $25k. Its about potentially hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars that would either come out of or added on top of fees paid by and to MLS. There is also a separate concept of training compensation that could severely restrict the movement of US players by adding separate and very steep payments directly to youth clubs every time a player moves clubs before the age of 23. The Union paying would set a very bad precedent and likely be blocked by the PU and USSF anyway.

    Another thing to consider, Bedoya played for a Pay to Play club at a time when those clubs justified fees using successes like Bedoya to recruit. These same clubs now face competition from youth clubs funded by fully professional teams who's aim is developing real pro players. These are teams that are free or much lower cost and for whom developing a pro and national team player isn't a happy accident, but a real goal. Its hard to recruit and keep up that business model when MLS teams are throwing more money at programs than they can without charging full freight. That means Bedoya's team is trying to collect a payment under a model that didn't exist and wasn't even an issue when it had him in its program. Its really crazy when you think about it. Its like a famous guitarist's first music teacher claiming a fee every time his band releases a new album. It's ridiculous.

    Clarkie is a treasure! :)
     
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  3. LuckyStriker

    LuckyStriker Member+

    Favorite club? a German one..........
    Apr 14, 2010
    in exile-Statute of Limitations yet to expire
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #1053 LuckyStriker, Aug 24, 2016
    Last edited: Aug 24, 2016
    right up there with:

    " I didn't tell him to get cancer".........

    1st quote probably around the time of his personal war with the Glass Tiger and his family, or even the origins of his arrival directed toward Aubut & Bertuzzi?
     
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  4. billf

    billf Member+

    May 22, 2001
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, the first one was after Lindros' ill-fated concussion return against NJ in the playoffs. Lindros had an expired contract, was an RFA, and the Flyers hadn't offered either an acceptable contract offer nor made any real attempt to trade him because the team held all the cards and the family made a comment about not making a trade. It was really classic Clarke. At some point during the season he went on TV between periods and called one of the Flyers beat writers an a$s hole on live TV.

    His treatment of Nielsen was pretty detestable too. May he RIP.

    Bertuzzi was the hero in that first mess. Abut, not so much. :)
     
  5. DaMunk

    DaMunk Member

    Feb 7, 2003
    Philadelphia/STX
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    US Virgin Islands
    But they are suing the Sounders for a taste of the dough they got from Spurs. The solidarity payment was not an issue in the States until recently. I can't remember all the details, but MLS is essentially telling the youth clubs to kick rocks and I think US Soccer feels caught in the middle and hasn't been helpful to the youth clubs in resolving the issue. My guess is Bedoya's club filed suit against the Union b/c they're the only US club Ale has played for.

    It's a complicated argument. On the one hand, US youth soccer has been pay to play so they haven't really invested much (you could also say they've already pocketed profits from fees the families payed). On the other hand, collecting that fee after developing a professional player or two should decrease costs to future players and increase access to more players.
     
  6. billf

    billf Member+

    May 22, 2001
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But why? If you have great coaching, a history of developing top players, and win games, you'll attract players who want to play there to continue to feed the beast. It also makes it possible for a club to attract sponsors and other money to defray costs.

    I think the issues boils down to MLS youth setups draw players and coaches away and have more at their disposal to create great facilities and pay top coaches. It makes it harder for these clubs to compete for top coaches and more expensive to develop an environment that completes with a no cost academy. These clubs owned the game fore decades. MLS taking this serious turned their model upside down and now they have to play catchup. This is a desperate attempt to claw something back IMO.
     
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  7. DaMunk

    DaMunk Member

    Feb 7, 2003
    Philadelphia/STX
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    US Virgin Islands
    Oh, I was coming at it from a more grassroots perspective, that's my default. I feel the sport and decent coaching should be widely accessible. Ironically, it was shitty coaches in the 80s and 90s whose only credentials were their foreign accents that fostered the current pay-to-play system.

    You're absolutely right given our market-driven approach to most things. In that case, the youth clubs are trying to have their cake and eat it too. While they could lower fees, it's not likely they would.

    And what you said.
     
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  8. amusiccale

    amusiccale Member

    Apr 27, 2011
    KS, formerly 114
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    PSP reporting that Barnetta is deciding whether to stay with the Union or return home:

     
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  9. Z010 Union

    Z010 Union Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 28, 2002
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    i hate when stories are obvious plants to make sure we aren't surprised in January when he signs with Gallen
     
  10. LuckyStriker

    LuckyStriker Member+

    Favorite club? a German one..........
    Apr 14, 2010
    in exile-Statute of Limitations yet to expire
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The fact that he'd even consider coming back is progress to me. He must like it there a little bit, every time he has to drop to the 8 I'd imagine he likes it a little bit less though ;).........
     
  11. amusiccale

    amusiccale Member

    Apr 27, 2011
    KS, formerly 114
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    I honestly can't tell if they're trying to repel outside interest by playing him there, OR if he's really a world-class number 8 trying to engineer a move back home.*

    *imagine as much of that in red as you need
     
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  12. Union42

    Union42 Member+

    Jul 29, 2013
    Swarthmore, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think what really makes him consider heading home is when he gets bodyslammed in the midfield, pops up and looks to the ref with a "WTF?!" gesture, and only gets a "whad'ya want me to do?" shrug in return.
     
  13. mattylip

    mattylip Member+

    Philadelphia Union
    Jul 22, 2011
    Cherry Hill (127, D)
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Who and why is Kevin Kratz?
     
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  14. Starpork

    Starpork Member+

    Nov 12, 2013
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    "After spending three seasons with Bayer 04 Leverkusen's reserve team early in his career, Kratz joined Alemannia Aachen in the 2. Bundesliga. After Aachen was relegated from the 2. Bundesliga at the end of the 2011–12 season, he transferred to Eintracht Braunschweig.[2] With his new club, Kratz won promotion to the Bundesliga in 2013. After the 2013–14 Bundesliga season, Kratz transferred to SV Sandhausen.[3]"

    Judging by his goals scored he is either a DM or holding mid. Or Kai Herdling.
     
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  15. DOOPist

    DOOPist Member

    May 17, 2012
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Another guy for Curtin to not use as the third substitute.
     
  16. Zman Gunner

    Zman Gunner BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 7, 2003
    Middletown, DE
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #1066 Zman Gunner, Sep 15, 2016
    Last edited: Sep 18, 2016
    Kevin Kratz - utility midfielder but seems to be more of a DM and CM option who can also play RM and AM. Could be part of the Earnie Stewart buddy system (Yaro/Rosenberry, Bedoya/Davies) given Kratz's ime at Bayer Leverkusen while Barnetta was there. No transfer fee so fits the Union budget.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Kratz
    http://www.transfermarkt.com/kevin-kratz/profil/spieler/42974
    http://us.soccerway.com/players/kevin-kratz/54802/
    http://www.fussballdaten.de/spieler/kratzkevin/
    http://www.ligainsider.de/kevin-kratz_2621/
    http://www.futhead.com/16/players/5380/kevin-kratz/
    https://sortitoutsi.net/football-manager-2015/player/35008898/kevin-kratz
    http://fifa-player-ratings.pointafter.com/l/3478/Kevin-Kratz

     
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  17. Tyr

    Tyr Member+

    Nov 7, 2009
    Lawrenceville
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Football Manager makes him out to be a really solid signing. He's more of a CAM in the game, and he has a ridiculous corner stat and a very good free kick stat.
     
  18. Cherry Hill SOB

    Cherry Hill SOB Member+

    Aug 30, 2012
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Somebody got a green card? Thought we had all the international spots full.
     
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  19. Billy Zabka

    Billy Zabka Member+

    May 4, 2006
    RoFo, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Feels a little Herdling-esque but at this point you have to give Earnie the benefit of the doubt
     
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  20. PhillyMLS

    PhillyMLS Member+

    Oct 24, 2000
    SE PA
    Believe that they loaned out Anderson to Bethlehem for the rest of the year with no right to recall him. If I read the rules right that would open up his international slot.
     
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  21. djramone

    djramone Member+

    Jan 14, 2006
    Pennsylvania
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    [​IMG]
     
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  22. Dills

    Dills Moderator
    Staff Member

    Philadelphia Union
    United States
    Jun 6, 2006
    Southampton|PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Makes me think this is Nogs v2.0

    Similar height, age, never played outside home country, etc.
     
  23. LuckyStriker

    LuckyStriker Member+

    Favorite club? a German one..........
    Apr 14, 2010
    in exile-Statute of Limitations yet to expire
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    so, like a living bribe then. Inventive. I like it.
     
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  24. Dulliwhig

    Dulliwhig Member+

    Nov 12, 2009
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Exactly what I was thinking. Looks like a more aggressive, less technical, but higher player Nogueira. Nice to have another set piece option. If we lose Barnetta, we'll need another besides Alberg. Two deep at every position...
     
  25. Starpork

    Starpork Member+

    Nov 12, 2013
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Someone mentioned on Twitter that he just trialed at MN United and they passed. Not sure what to make of that. Either they didn't rate him or they didn't like his price tag.
     

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