El indecido me molesta, si no me quiero, Transfer Thead 2016

Don't know anything but now we are being linked with Mbemba. Not sure but would there be a chance we would get 2 CB's if Chambers goes on loan?

 

That guy is an idiot. And you believed that.

Only reasons to prefer to play Arsenal is that it's more of a challenge, that you get to go to London instead of Edinburgh, and Arsenal's facilities are nicer.

 

Even with Chambers going on loan, I'm not sure you need to unless 1 can also backup Bellerin.

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Do we really need another CB?

 

Sure. But at the same time, let's be real here: things do not suck. Arsenal are, objectively speaking, very good. We're upset because we have high expectations (as we should), but the status quo is hardly terrible.

 

We need a new guy, because Koscielny's started to have injury problems, and Gabriel hasn't inspired confidence in his time at Arsenal.

 

Third party ownership, of course - I thought it stood for some kind of steroid, was thinking EPO. fail


EDIT: I see SuperLlama and I were on the same wavelength.

 

Atletico aren't the only club to use third party ownership though. It's practically routine in Portugal. What makes it a competitive advantage for them?

Is it because they structure buyouts for players that require the buying club to still pay the third party owners, like what happened with Diego Costa? Apparently Wenger said at an AGM that Costa would cost something like 100m (inclusive of wages) when everything was factored in.

 

good read by the guardian on the ins-and-outs when a club buys a player https://www.theguardian.com/football/the-set-pieces-blog/2016/aug/24/transfer-window-market-myths

 

It's not down to just third party ownership. That's just the financing part. It's also innovative/cutting edge coaching, sprinkled with some ascending/starlet South American recruiting.

 

Yea, that was kind of what I was getting at. I think a lot of the negativity towards the club is way overboard. Wenger is a long-term planner whereas a lot of our fans want (and have been wanting) instant gratification. I think you can be 100% committed to a club and still criticize its leadership. A certain amount of criticism is usually justified. On the other hand, there are some posters (I won't name names) who post nothing but toxic negativity. I just wonder how people who are so at odds with the club and its philosophy can still consider themselves supporters of the club. It's like if you hated every single Drake song, but still called yourself a Drake fan. I wouldn't support something if all it did was cause me misery.

 

Are we fighting off relegation this season ?

 

It's getting harder and harder to take you seriously.

Again. Saying wenger is the problem isn't "not" supporting arsenal. I love arsenal. I don't love Arsene. They aren't one in the same.

Like saying chambers is bad a CB. He is just a player for arsenal. Not liking him has nothing to do with not liking arsenal.

The issue is that wenger had entwined himself into almost every facet of club operations. What coach does that? So now when I hate what wenger is doing I'm pretty much dissing everything I guess.

What is long term, btw? A decade of no appreciable success in the trophy room. A decade of stagnation (no steady improvement)

We are creeping up on 20 years, and he won't be around then. So I'm not sure of your point here.

 

One will be enough. Gabs should be back early September and with Holding progress, we should be ok.

 

Eddie Howe at Bournemouth would be a choice for me so far as English-born managers. Tuchel at Dortmund, maybe?

 

Yes. It's mostly catharsis. I don't think Kroenke is scouting the forums. However, movements start somewhere. We saw it at the end of last season and that was largely organized online. Journos read the Twitter feeds and ask questions at pressers to fan the flames, bloggers like arseblog mirror many of opinions you read here, etc. eventually a collective grown is heard by the club. If there is an affect on the bottom line ever or it comes up in commercial negotiations maybe there will be change. I won't hold my breath. But that wasn't my point. People are telling us to shut up and support the club, but that's not me. If I see something I don't like I bitch about it, stop buying merchandise, etc.

 

Wait, how is he a complete idiot when (if you go by the article) the board's the one getting in the way of making it happen?

 

This for sure. His long term planning has been crap. Long term planning certainly doesn't entail signing only one starting outfield player over the course of two years. He hasn't figured out our injury issues apparently, we start each season poorly, he doesn't appear willing to address tactical imbalance and problems...his long term plan is to use the exact same plan as last year and the year before that and the year before that...or at least it seems that way.

I agree with you, it's Arsenal FC, not Arsene FC. Somehow, he has amassed this cult of personality, which is amazing considering he doesn't have the most energetic of personalities, convincing people that he is the greatest manager Arsenal have ever had and to question his policies is to question everything that is Arsenal. It's an interesting dichotomy.

 

Griezmann been playing striker teh last 18 months at Atletico.

Griezmann signed a contract extension with Atletico in June just to up his buyout clause.

If he really made the decision in June that "Griezmann could play with Giroud," then its incompetence at best.

And saying that also blames the board.

I personally do not believe Wenger is that incompetent. I think it was clickbait which Arsenal fans ate up because we tired and sad.

 

I respectfully disagree. For me, things do suck.

We've been a few key pieces away from really competing for the title for the past 5 seasons. It's obvious to everyone that our manager isn't willing/able to do the things necessary to put us in that position, and it's absolute madness trying to understand the rationale for it, because there isn't one.

The product on the pitch right now, is mediocre. There is anticipation to see our full squad return and find their form, but if the Manager isn't striving for greatness, why should we assume the team will?

There is no good or logical reason for Wenger's unwillingness / inability to put this club in a winning position.

Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result is the very definition of stupidity.

That's Arsenal Football Club right now, Mebe.

And yes, it sucks.

 

Drake...lol.

This is more like Mid-late 80s David Bowie. People still bought the shite, but most real fans were like wtf. It's no we aren't fans, we just don't like the latest album Arsenal has put out. Can't see that changing until Arsene leaves so that's why we want him out.

And long term? Hello! The man is pushing 70 and is involved in nearly everything the club does. even if you think he is effective now, how long you think that can continue?

 

My point exactly.

 

I disagree with this. When you look at Arsenal's resources, they're about where they should be - Arsenal play in a league where three clubs have resources that significantly exceed Arsenal's. Liverpool's successes during the Emirates-debt period aside, Arsenal have finished below a club that's had fewer resources twice during Wenger's tenure.

The gripes really come across as "why aren't Arsenal punching above their weight given the resources they have?" I want to see Arsenal win too, but let's be realistic here.

What clubs, in England, do you guys think do better than Arsenal given the resources they have? That last part is key. In other words, who do you want Arsenal to emulate?

In Europe, I can only really think of Atletico (discussed here), Juve (who simply haven't made many mistakes in the transfer market and play in a much more cash strapped league), and Dortmund, as teams that have punched above their weight in a manner that we want to emulate.