El indecido me molesta, si no me quiero, Transfer Thead 2016

I don't think Kroenke would be particularly bothered if we basically turned into a mid-table side that was very profitable. Think Stoke but with a bigger ground, e.g. West Ham.

 

cool, but thats not the point im making.

 

i dont think most fans would mind it either, if they lowered ticket prices and flat out said it.

 

That's the point. They can't say that because they'd have to lower ticket prices. They need ppl to believe our aim is 1st and will pay to be a part of it.

You admit your Everton? Your stock plummets, casual supporters move to city or united to see winners.

 

Arsenal aren't seen as winners as is and probably don't have that much more casual fans versus an Everton.

 

Maybe semantics I guess but arsenals commercial viability worldwide is what I'm referencing. Not particular fans I guess. Poor wording.

Don't see many Evertonians hanging out in USA Thailand Brazil etc but you'll see ppl rocking arsenal gear still viewing them as champions because of the invincibles or something.

The loss of fan support worldwide would be a byproduct of the loss of commercial revenue. You start saying you're a midtable side you start losing those awesome puma commercials etc thus you lose that wide spread reach.

 

Only if you actually attack the FB's weaker inside foot. Our wingers just open up their bodies so the full back can stride forward with their stronger foot.

 

At least to the extent that it achieves your goals.

I think there was fairly broad agreement in the 3 spine positions we needed to fill with experience this summer. Arguably we landed 1 of 3 (Xhaka). Unless of course our new 20YO CB turns out to be an instant world-beater.

7 days to go to achieve our goals, and land the other 2. And if that doesn't pan out, then you can certainly point to our process.

Frankly, even if Wenger pulls 2 rabbits out of the hat, it's so late in the game (the season is 2 weeks old for pete's sake) you could still point fingers at our process.

 

Man this whole transfer drama has me pretty bummed about this season. I'll support a losing team all day if their actions show a desire to improve and win, but we have zero ambition or desire to compete.
Sadly, when I remove my emotional connection and look at the club objectively, it's kind of easy to see why first rate players would hesitate to join Arsenal. Won't spend, no ambition, low wages, and a Manager (who I honestly love) who may not be in charge much longer.
When it comes to attracting players, I'd say we hold zero advantage over at least half of the current Prem clubs.

 

I will say it again
******** this window

 

Indeed. If Arsenal board could continue making the same money without ever winning anything, they would.

It's only the fans who care about trophies.

 

I wonder why Wenger has not resigned yet if the board is to blame. Unless he sees eye to eye with them which is what I think is happening.

We can only know when a new manager comes cos me personally would have resigned ages ago given those work conditions.

 

Because he makes 8 million a year and has carte blanche over a lot of things. The limitation is that he probably has a smaller budget than he would prefer.

 

Stay classy, San Diego.

 

My biggest single worry at this stage is who we will appoint after Wenger. If it isnt a manager with some proven ability then we will never have top players at Arsenal again and we will forever be midtable.

Fear is a hell of a thing

 

Totally agree. I'm no Kroenke defender, but right now I think Wenger is the primary obstacle to change in the football side of things. I have a sneaking suspicion that Gazidis actually hates Wenger for being so stubborn.

 

Sorry for the rogue post in this forum but it's getting the most traction and there was/is no need to start a new one for a simple question (I couldn't find the old "Arsenal on TV" thread).

I'm new to Dish Network after having DTV for years. Does Dish have all the alternative NBCSN networks that DTV carried to have every Prem game shown? I had to 'upgrade' just to get NBCSN but this weekends fixture isn't on and a search for "Arsenal" yields nothing. Trying to find my options without having to call Dish and speak to someone who has no idea what i'm talking about.

 

That's the problem, we're already 5 points back.

 

Agreed, and most clubs will have a plan in place for that sort of thing. Sadly, I get the feeling Arsenal haven't even wasted one thought about what to do and whom to approach if Wenger finally leaves.

 

Counterpoint: big signings are for multiple seasons, not just one. Three games in August in one season pale in comparison to the games and years after a transfer, so it's more important to get a transfer right than it is to get it done before the season starts.

 

Ummm....total BS. Sorry man.

 

I agree with most of what's being said around here, and am pretty negative myself, but y'all are making way to big a deal of being 5 points back after TWO games.

Every year someone says "well, this will be the year we don't make fourth." Don't be that person.

 

Here's the thing. If I drop 50 on laca and he helps us win the title. Did the price matter?

If you're a penny pinching board member, maybe. You might rather get 4th and make a large profit.

As a fan I don't care what they spend if the player can help us. That's where a lot of you wengerites miss the point. You think getting bargains and turning a 1 mill signing into a 20 mill sale is a badge of honor. Hell I was part of it when Chelsea bought their title. I justified not winning because we had a better financial plan.

Arsenals job as a football club is to win. Or should be. It's not my job to worry about how much a player costs vs what they provide. No player is worth what they go for. Except maybe a handful of the unknowns and the mega stars.

But when I see a fan say lacazette won't improve our team; either they are just ignorant of the player or they see the price tag and put them against it. When in reality he's a better CF option than anyone we have not named giroud and even that is close imo but I can see it being arguable.

Am I saying I'm expecting wenger to pay that much or that he even should? Well it's not black and white. I think he needs to be able to take a hit financially to compete.

This is a long post in response to a very shallow one but it's a nuanced problem.

A. Do we vitally need the improvement he provides at that cost? If I'm Chelsea city or United probably not. If I'm the arsenal that wants to win the league? Absolutely. Pay 50.

And on and on.

 

Broadly speaking I don't disagree with most of this, but part of the problem here is a misalignment of expectations. Many of us, myself included, expect Wenger to retire after this season and as such, to do everything within his power to try and win the league one more time.

The attempted Vardy transfer hinted at this, willing to do a transfer many of us viewed as risky. So while I wasn't necessarily ecstatic about him as an Arsenal player, I applauded the mentality of the move as it signaled a real intent to make some bold moves and try and improve the team.

With apologies to Holding and Asano, the almost complete lack of activity since then has functioned as whiplash and sent mixed signals about Wenger's intent.

I didn't expect him to go wild, but I did expect 3 major signings: central midfield, central defender, and either a striker or a wide forward. And I expected him to drop up to 100m gbp in total on those transfers. I also expected more departures than we've seen.

In a way, I respect Wenger for staying true to his principles, however much I might disagree with them, to the very end.

My quibbles with your response are that: 1) major signings don't have to be for the long-term, e.g. RvP & Zlatan at Old Trafford and 2) not every transfer has to be right, it's okay to get some wrong, even when they're expensive. As a litigator I know once put it, "if you're not losing cases, you're not trying enough of them..."

We can afford to make a few costly mistakes, it won't hurt the club too badly long-term and I think Wenger has earned the right to swing for the fences in this, the twilight of his career.