Olympia 2016 - We're going to Rio (again)

Making the final is a great achievement, as long as they don't get thrashed in the final I will be happy. Brazil is peaking at the right time. They had a stroll against Honduras and will be fresh for the final. Our SF against Nigeria was bruising, both physically and mentally. Our players looked very tiered in the 2nd half. My fear is that 2 days is not enough time to recover for this final.

 

That's just semantics from the IOC rules. This is very obviously a DFB team even if they aren't allowed to wear the symbol. Hrubesch is the DFB U21 coach and the DFB negotiated the release of the players.

 

Making a distinction between DFB results and DFV results is semantics now? Those were two seperate teams playing against each other. If they were one and the same what do you make of the 1:0 win of the East German team against the West German team at the 1974 WC?

 

It is. The coach the staff are all paid by the DFB. The kits, equipment are all paid by the DFB. The players are all registered by the DFB, heck, even the qualification process to play here was an event of the DFB...the only thing absent is the DFB logo and Adidas stripes - everything else is DFB.

 

A different tournament doesn't change the federations involved. There could have been a match between East Germany and West Germany at the Olympics too. Imagine the the 1976 Olympics final opponent had been the DFB team instead of Poland. Could they now claim a Gold Medal for themselves even though they actually lost the game against the DFV team and won Silver?

 

There is this story in my family when in the 70ies my grandparents drove with my uncle to West Berlin and when they entered the GDR my uncle asked my grandfather if they had left Germany now and my grandfather spent the 3 or 4 hours driving the transit yelling at the little boy for how stupid one can be to even ask something like that.

Thats how reasonable your discussion is here. GDR medals do all have to count into the medal table.

 

All right, my last post on this. Yes, the GDR medals are real and count but they were won by a football federation from a different state which doesn't exist anymore. Right now the only German football federation in existance is the DFB and they had nothing to do with the Olympic gold medal from 1976.

 

Those are still german medals, even if they weren't won by the current german footballing body.

 

I wanted to stop writing on this topic (it's going nowhere) but since you ask directly: yes, I am German.

The GDR was disbanded. It was not a merger of two states into a new one. The GDR ceased to exist and its population and territory joined another state. At the time they won that gold medal the GDR was a seperate foreign state with its own football federation, though.

You seem to think that I'm discrediting their sporting achievements. I'm not. But they were won by the German Democratic Republic, not by the Federal Republic of Germany to which the DFB belongs. The DFB doesn't merge the DFV's win / loss statistics into its own. Because 1. it wasn't them and 2. it doesn't look good. So why do they get to claim a gold medal someone else won and worked for? That's just cherry picking.

 

Good article on Germany (both) and the Olympics ans well as Horst Hrubesch's last match.

http://www.espnfc.com/blog/espn-fc-...venge-as-horst-hrubesch-prepares-for-farewell

 

They were two separate nations, both of which were German. We were both germans then and we are both germans now that we are 1 again. Those trophies were won by germans and are german medals regardless of which association they were a part of.

 

Great argument. You've convinced me.

 

Medals are awarded to nations, not people. The DDR no longer exists, period.

 

This is all true. But that doesn't change the fact that the Federal Republic of Gemany has never won an Olympic Gold Medal in men's football.

 

LOL, opportunist Brandt wants Basti/Poldi's place.

http://www.fifa.com/mensolympic/new...il-2822809.html?intcmp=fifacom_hp_module_news

 

Fair enough.

What about the matches between the DDR and the BRD? In the 1974 WC, in the group stages, DDR won the game. How do you denote that in the record books if you are going to merge them?

 

Since out of a coincidence the 74 game is the only direct encounter(72 olympics dont count for Fifa and 92 qualifiers eventually didnt happen) I think FIFA in fact does count it as a loss for Germany in the current stats. DFB probably have no problem with it cause it acknowledges the performance of the GDR side.

 

Come on Germany! Beat Brazil!