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  1. JamesA

    JamesA Member+

    Dec 7, 2004
    Victoria
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Perhaps he shouldn't have taken a 2 week vacation at the end of the season.

    And the bolded part. That was exactly the problem. He didn't know what he was doing and/or dithered at everything.
     
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  2. Cevno

    Cevno Member+

    Aug 27, 2005
    Shifting.
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Wasn't that because he was still under contract at Everton and we didn't wanna pay compensation for a month or so ?

    Anyway, yeah we did need a bigger personality to take over from SAF.
     
  3. gatekeeper2

    gatekeeper2 Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Moyes had the month of June to study the video of existing players. Yes, he kept dithering but that's exactly the point -- he kept dithering when he had every opportunity to act boldly.
     
  4. Ashur

    Ashur Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    May 31, 2015
    Riding off into the sunset
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
  5. thenamestsam

    thenamestsam Member+

    Aug 8, 2013
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    It's also maybe worth mentioning when we contrast Moyes and Mou that part of the problem with hiring a manager of a club like Everton is that he won't necessarily be highly acquainted with targets of the appropriate level. I know everyone who posts in any online forum has to claim to have a strong opinion about every player in world football (it's a requirement), but to actually be prepared to sign a player would require a lot of in-depth study of film, scouting reports, medical histories etc. Managing at Everton, Moyes would have obviously put most of his transfer related efforts into focusing on players at a completely different level than what was required when he was thrust into the United job. Mourinho on the other hand would have been tracking players at the right level, which gives him a natural advantage in terms of coming in with an appropriate list of players for each needed role (as he supposedly did).

    That's not to let Moyes off the hook, as he made plenty of his own mess, but to highlight one of the many ways the situation was asking to be a disaster. Hiring somebody like Moyes at a time when the squad badly needed refreshing to go with an inexperienced executive and no Director of Football was playing with fire. Moyes threw plenty of oil on in a number of respects, but there was plenty of blame to go around.
     
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  6. gatekeeper2

    gatekeeper2 Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    I'll begin by replying I opposed the Moyes hire from the beginning. Mourinho was begging to come to Old Trafford but for whatever reason -- Ferguson, Charlton, I can't be sure -- we went with a midtable manager over a proven winner.

    Moyes was given a tough hand to play but he took a champion down to seventh place. His two signature buys, Fellaini and Mata, weren't the buys we needed. With Everton, a club which has to watch its finances very carefully, Moyes generally bought well and organized his team well. But expectations were vastly lower than they are at United, a club which expects to spend big and go for trophies.

    Where management fell on the job was giving Moyes a 7 year contract, which allowed him to believe that he had 2 or 3 seasons to mold the squad to his liking. After the dubious Fellaini buy he let Rooney dictate contract terms to the club and we've been paying the price for it since -- this season plus two more at 300k/week. It was disastrous management which has affects us to this day.

    What's done is done but the more you evaluate the Moyes era the more ghastly the decision to reject Mourinho and go with Moyes looks. Ferguson has made a career of speaking on sports management and I hope he includes in his syllabus how NOT to appoint a successor to a legendary manager.
     
  7. Ashur

    Ashur Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    May 31, 2015
    Riding off into the sunset
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  8. Rooney20

    Rooney20 Member+

    Jan 8, 2007
    New York
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If Darmian leaves we'll have to get another RB in, we don't have enough depth at that position.
     
  9. Ashur

    Ashur Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    May 31, 2015
    Riding off into the sunset
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #6584 Ashur, Aug 16, 2016
    Last edited: Aug 16, 2016
    That's how it would appear, unless Jose believes that Valencia backed up by Timmy would be enough...
    Still of the opinion that letting Darmian go would be a mistake though.
     
  10. jeff070

    jeff070 Member+

    Dec 31, 2004
    PA
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Lebanon
    Then if he really wanted Darmian out, why didn't he keep Varela as back up to Valencia?

    Or in reality Fosu Mensah is Valencia's back up?
     
  11. Ashur

    Ashur Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    May 31, 2015
    Riding off into the sunset
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Timmy backing up Valencia appears to be precisely the idea. It's not hard to see why Jose let Varela go out on loan: for all his prowess going forward, Jose probably doesn't think he's good enough defensively.
     
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  12. jeff070

    jeff070 Member+

    Dec 31, 2004
    PA
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Lebanon
    He'll get game time at Frankfurt. His only competition is a 20 year old kid with no first experience.
     
  13. Ashur

    Ashur Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    May 31, 2015
    Riding off into the sunset
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And that is what matters: hopefully, he can get enough games and make a great impression to perhaps convince Jose he has a future with United long term.
     
  14. JamesA

    JamesA Member+

    Dec 7, 2004
    Victoria
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    I wouldn't be shocked to see Fabihno coming. We're just playing those cards close to our chest to get a decent fee on Darmian.
     
  15. LimeTree

    LimeTree Member+

    Oct 22, 2007
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    If the Bruno Peres deal to Roma goes through, that would pretty much take them out of the running for picking up Darmian.
     
  16. benni...

    benni... BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 23, 2004
    Chocolate City
    Can't one play left and the other (Peres) play right?
     
  17. Teso Dos Bichos

    Teso Dos Bichos Red Card

    Sep 2, 2004
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    Roma could be looking to reunite the Torino wing-backs which would allow Florenzi to move back into midfield.
     
  18. LimeTree

    LimeTree Member+

    Oct 22, 2007
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    They had signed Mario Rui for the LB position. While he suffered an ACL injury in preseason, I don't know if I see Roma stocking up like that (from a financial perspective). But in theory, yea, could definitely work.
     
  19. benni...

    benni... BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 23, 2004
    Chocolate City
    I don't know much about this Mario fella, but looking at his feet, 3.5mil, it doesn't look like That much of a financial burden.
    .
     
  20. LimeTree

    LimeTree Member+

    Oct 22, 2007
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    I think a lot might depend on whether or not they qualify from their CL tie with Porto. They're more competently run now, but cash often seems tight.
     
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  21. Sarcasm Bot

    Sarcasm Bot Member+

    Nov 4, 2014
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    that's the loan fee. Option to buy adds up to around 9-10 mil.
     
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  22. thefly

    thefly Member

    Aug 9, 2007
    Vancouver
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    It seems Jose Mourinho's remaking of Manchester United isn't over yet, with Santos star Gabriel Barbosa heading to Old Trafford, according to the Sun.

    Last week, Santos president Modesto Roma said an Inter Milan bid for the 19-year-old Brazil forward had been accepted, with Leicester City, Juventus, Bayern Munich and Atletico Madrid also interested.

    But the Sun reports that United "are ready to blow the opposition out of the water" by tabling a £30 million bid in the next couple of days, leaving Mourinho "in pole position to land the superkid."

    It adds that the manager wants to add another forward to his ranks and has "made it clear Barbosa is the perfect fit for his Reds revolution."

    But with "Gabigol" representing Brazil at the Olympics in Rio de Janeiro, Santos have said a decision on his future will not be made until after the Games.​

    http://www.espnfc.co.uk/blog/transf...-barbosa-chelsea-offer-cesc-fabregas-to-clubs
     
  23. Campbell95

    Campbell95 Member

    May 26, 2012
    So who's better? Gabriel Jesus or Gabriel Barbosa?
     
  24. Ashur

    Ashur Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    May 31, 2015
    Riding off into the sunset
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They're different type of forwards to be honest. Gabigol looks a prototypical CF, whereas GJ is a forward who operates more as a SS or can play on either side as well.
    Noticed the reports about Gabigol seemingly gathering pace as well, but apart from the Sun and Goal.com, no one noteworthy is running with that story yet (ESPN are reporting it as part of their transfer rumors section, which covers all rumors and whispers regardless of the source).
    In view of a post Zlatan time, it makes sense, but we don't yet when that will be. And it's hard to think he'd go to a team where he probably would be the third option either. GJ always made more sense to us in terms of our needs. We'll see...
     
  25. johno

    johno Member+

    Jul 15, 2003
    in the wind
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    I don't buy it. No point going after non-elite talent who won't be available for the first quarter of the season.
     

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