England U-17 Discussions Thread #3 (2007 born)

You have to wonder about these kids motivations now days because Chelsea is the phantom zone of youth development, and unless you have the ability of a teenage Rooney or Ronaldo you have got next to no chance of getting in there first team IMO

 

With the new group we seem to be very well off in the attacking and creative side of things (I'm looking for Gomez to take a leap forward at u18 level for United). But I'm wondering about the defence. I've seen a number of the Chelsea defenders and not been impressed, but of course it is early days yet.

 

Goal scoring midfielder. I think he is very good, a standout player. When I first saw him in a tournament him, TOB and Skipp were a completely different level. Can take the ball in tight spaces, contributes to the build up of attcks and uses his body well to shield the ball, but comes alive round the box. Quite creative, excellent shot on him, loves a ball roll to help probe.

If I had a chouce out of losing TOB, Skipp and Kirby, it would. However Kirby is very good and I was impressed when he played u18s last year, and he offers something not many players do which is goals from midfield. Gutted he's gone if I'm honest

 

A very good player, natural finisher and dribbles with the ball on a bit of string on his left foot. Quick and an intelligent runner. Big blow to lose him

Had made a couple of appearances for our U21s and scored, should really have scored in both games but got ball caught under his studs.

Last time I watched him he got sent off for 2 ridiculous tackles against Norwich in a post season tournament, but had scored the winner against Liverpool in the match beforehand.

Got a lot of U18 experience, as was a regular last year - and was being watched by all the big boys. Had signed his scholarship so rumoured transfer fee is £500k so Chelsea must think highly of him, Arsenal and Palace were also in for him.

 

I'd argue that from his point of view he is more likely to make a career out of football going to Chelsea than staying at Ipswich.

We very rarely hand out more than 1 years contract, and if you have a bad year for whatever reason you may end up being released.....Ipswich is fairly isolated and unless Colchester (L2) pick boys up that we release they end up drifting into non-league footy as that pays quite well in Suffolk and allows a job around it (Normally as a PT selling Herbalife products......).

At Chelsea he is going to get a development shaped by loan spells no doubt - but with a better club on his CV, a more secure contract (in length and most likely ££s) and a higher branch to fall from when he doesn't make the first team there.

If Ipswich were a club that gives lots of opportunities to youngsters then I'd think it was a bit more of a mistake, but we give a few and he has an England U17 international (Ben Morris) in the year above him, and in the year above that is a full New Zealand international (Monty Patterson) so the path here is hard too.

He played against Bayern Munich on Saturday, our U18s face Southwold Town tomorrow......

If I were to liken it to a corporate world, I'd say it's the choice between staying at a small company where you have a chance of becoming a Director/Board member there - or moving to a FTSE100 company and working through the ranks where you are very unlikely to make it to the Board, but the experience gained will allow open up many more opportunities.

 

I thought TOB was a stand out in that Nike Tournament last year and above Skipp and Kirby or has he regressed since then?

 

Don't know what happened there. It should have said "If I had a choice out of losing TOB, Skipp and Kirby, it would be Kirby, however he is very good and I was impressed when he played u18s last year"

No TOB is still a talented player. Played u18s towards the end of last season and was excellent. Hope he carries that into this season. The only potential positive in Kirby going is that it might give Thorpe some chances at no.10. He plays there wings or striker. I was also told he was one of the 2 highest rated players in our academy based on their grading system alongside Madeuke, and I can only assume, as my guy said academy, that at the time that included this years first years, so maybe higher than TOB, but we'll see.

 

Might well start on Friday night, they've not got a whole lot of alternatives atm.

 

Is O'reilly same age or one below?

 

Matt O'Riley? He's a November 2000 birth, so he's in the same international year-group but still 15.

 

Ok thanks.

 

Chelsea forward Charlie Brown, recently signed from Ipswich, is popping the goals in good style in pre-season. Seems a clever, cool finisher in the mould of a young Michael Owen. Perhaps one of the Ipswich fans could give more details including dob (apologies if already done).

 

Ryan Sessegnon started for Fulham last night, in case anyone missed it. Slightly overshadowed by Adeniran's debut goal, but I know who I'm more excited about.

 

I assume there is currently an England U17s goalkeeper training camp going on? Brighton's Tom McGill posted a photo on instagram yesterday, showing him and Ryan Sandford, with the caption "Sound first day away with the keepers, good to be back wearing the badge #ENG17s"

 

That would be under-18s now, wouldn't it?

EDIT: Or multiple age-groups, perhaps, but Sandford is a '99.

 

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Ryan Sessegnon played the full game tonight for Fulham in the Championship. They seem to be pretty serious about involving him. Some nice comments from Jokanovic:

"[Ryan Sessegnon] is a very good project of the football club, he needs to continue to keep working hard, in this way we have to be careful about him.

"For his debut he offered many, many, many quality things during the game. I don't want to say (he is a) kid, but he is doing work with adult people and I don't find a big difference between them."

 

Future England star Jadon Sancho impressed again today with a classy performance in City's win against Everton u18s.