El indecido me molesta, si no me quiero, Transfer Thead 2016

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  1. BigEffingGooner

    BigEffingGooner Member+

    Apr 25, 2012
    Austin, Tx
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    It will never happen. Alexis is not very coachabke, he is going to play his game the way he wants to, it's a good part of the reason that he is no longer at Barca, and he isn't changing that now.

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  2. BigEffingGooner

    BigEffingGooner Member+

    Apr 25, 2012
    Austin, Tx
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Alexis doesn't work up top, Ramsey doesn't work on the left. You can play Wilshere from the left if he were ever healthy.

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  3. Gunning4Chelsea

    Gunning4Chelsea Member+

    Aug 2, 2005
    chicago
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It could work...but involves a lot of discipline from players on pitch
    Positions will be interchangeable .. Only back two stay constant .. Xhaka and elneny
     
  4. Gunning4Chelsea

    Gunning4Chelsea Member+

    Aug 2, 2005
    chicago
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In theory... It could ... But only if other players move spots when Alexis drops back - which that's his tendency
    I just don't know if he is disciplined enough
     
  5. poetgooner

    poetgooner Member+

    Arsenal
    Nov 20, 2014
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Sanchez does exactly what moving RvP up top avoided. Just like Sanchez, RvP when not playing as the no.9, slowed things down for us, and over-complicated things. When moved up top, he was able to focus on using his world-class movement and technique to score goals.

    RvP was not that long ago. We should not forget yet what he was like for us when he was constantly dropping deep, and how transformative he was when he was playing further up.

    RvP at least responded to change. He used to drop deep because our buildup play was lacking, and when it wasn't, he dropped deep less. I don't think that's the case with Sanchez. We could have a midfield of Cesc, Cazorla, and Ozil, and Sanchez as our striker would still play the way he plays, I think.
     
  6. cantona94

    cantona94 Member

    Jul 16, 2000
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    PLEASE!!...tell me your secret, what are you taking?? I WANT SOME!!
     
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  7. DIMITAR BERBATOV!

    Aug 2, 2010
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What Wenger has done for this club is simply incredible and people who don't understand that are dunces. Chelsea, City, and United have brought obscene levels of spending into the league with their commercial deals and moneybags owners. Despite all of that, Wenger has kept the team competitive while spending less and building a new stadium. Sure, we haven't won the big trophies in a long time, but we also haven't experienced the huge lows either (Chelsea and United have both missed top 4 more than once in the last few years). We have literally the most valuable manager in the world and yet all some of our fans do is bitch, bitch, bitch, and rag on him 24/7. So dumb.

    There was a rough patch between the Henry departure and the Ozil signing when the club was pitching spitballs, but we survived that period and are now in much better shape. No one with any sense can say we aren't much better off than 3-4 years ago when we were losing key players every window and trotting out a weaker lineup that was held together by RVP playing Superman. Seriously. Did any of you actually watch that 2011-2012 team? It was pretty garbage in a lot of ways. Since then we've added Cazorla, Ozil, Alexis, Cech, Xhaka, and other solid players without really losing anyone of consequence. The club is on an upward trajectory and yet every Arsenal message board I read has some dense fans ripping into the manager.

    I'm not surprised that Wenger is contemplating retirement. I'd want to retire too if I did such a phenomenal job and still had my every move as manager criticized by legions of fools who can barely manage to tie their own shoes.
     
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  8. gunner0007

    gunner0007 Member+

    Jul 19, 2005
    Bahamas
    Wish I could have liked it more. I started supporting this club in 03 and it was because of the way it was ran and because of the beautiful football. The day Wenger leaves, unless it is a manager with half as much class and vision as him, I would probably be less interested.

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  9. cantona94

    cantona94 Member

    Jul 16, 2000
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Dimitar, Look, I've been following this club since the early-90's, PRIOR to Wenger coming in. I know just as well as anyone else as to what he has done for this club. And without a doubt he brought glory to this club during his early years.

    But, it appears that the game is starting to pass him by. And statistically speaking, he actually has brought less titles over a per year period than other successful managers. Some of what you say is indeed true regarding steering us through some delicate periods. However, those periods have passed and here we sit, in stagnation and really staring mediocrity in the face.

    You claim that all some fans do is bitch bitch bitch and maybe they do but they do so because they see that this club is capable of so much more but the manager doesn't seem to have the aggressiveness to bring that vision to fruition. It also brings about a ton of bitching for some fans when others seem to think that Wenger is the best manager we've ever had when, again, it isn't statistically so and there are CLEAR issues within the squad depth and transfer policy not to even mention the tactics sometime used. Sadly, the Wenger out voices will only grow and unfortunately, Arsene bears a large portion of the responsibility for bringing about those voices over the last 10 years.

    And to be brutally honest, I would much rather take a down season or two like Chelsea and United have had to have a title here and there. You can say whatever you want about that but the fact remains, people view those clubs and their titles far differently than they view our constant top 4 finishes...we're basically the butt of numerous jokes aka our "4th place trophy" because of it. Alright, rant over and apologies on the long post!
     
  10. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Mate he's a gangster rapper now ak 47 the metal days are gone
     
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  11. Serengeti_Boy

    Serengeti_Boy Member+

    Sep 15, 2009
    Serengeti, East Africa
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Tanzania
    Exactly, only works in FIFA.
     
  12. thedude83

    thedude83 Member

    Jan 29, 2007
    Kansas
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I'd be a bit disappointed but also intrigued by what those guys could accomplish.

    I am all for trying Sanchez at the CF for the start of the season. I think he can flourish there. Especially with the way Iwobi, Campbell and the Ox have played on the wings so far in the preseason (not to mention Gnabry who has been a pleasant surprise in Rio).

    But if we want to win the title we need Mahrez on the RW and Mustafi at CB. Get it done, Arsene
     
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  13. Serengeti_Boy

    Serengeti_Boy Member+

    Sep 15, 2009
    Serengeti, East Africa
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Tanzania
    The only dependable person there is Iwobi. Ox will fade off and Wenger doesn't trust JC.
     
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  14. Aaron d

    Aaron d Member+

    May 15, 2005
    Wooster
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think we need to include Gnabry in that list as well.

    Depends. I can see the argument that between those 4 we can get enough. However, I can't get on board without signing another CB. We need depth and a plan for the future there. If we aren't spending on attack AW MUST spend on defense. I can reluctantly get behind rolling the dice on youth who have promise, but not hoping 2 aging CBs with high miles can stay healthy. (especially at Arsenal)
     
  15. charlie15

    charlie15 Member+

    Mar 9, 2000
    Bethesda, Md
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Mustafi seems to be close.



     
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  16. Sleepy Spaceman

    Sleepy Spaceman Member+

    Nov 6, 2011
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Good news.

    Add a ST and it's been an awesome window.
     
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  17. MilesW

    MilesW Member+

    Aug 26, 2010
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Could possibly add Gnabry on that list too
     
  18. Rewinder

    Rewinder Member+

    Jun 24, 2004
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Xhaka, Asano, Holding, Mustafi and a striker would be satisfactory (unless the striker is mind blowing).

    We still have a problem at RW, and need some decent backup for Bellerin.
     
  19. charlie15

    charlie15 Member+

    Mar 9, 2000
    Bethesda, Md
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Mahrez would fit nicely at RW. ;)
     
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  20. charlie15

    charlie15 Member+

    Mar 9, 2000
    Bethesda, Md
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  21. crazy150

    crazy150 Member+

    Aug 27, 2006
    North Cuba
    I don't think losing the league to Leicester city is one for the resume. Top four trophy while paying top four wages for last 10 years isn't exactly overachieving either.

    I love Wenger, but he is pretty infuriating as of late.

    If you don't understand the fans frustration with him, then you are just a blind apologist. RVP superman was 19 points off the league title that year. Just behind us were spuds and NCFC, clubs that spend way less on wages than us. So to just squeak by them was no accomplishment.

    Do a thought experiment for yourself. Rename Wenger of the last ten years to Regnew or Reggie. Let's take a look at it as if he was a different manager.

    Reggie inherited a well decorated, three time Premier league winning, four time FA cup winning, champions league finalist squad. Average league position previous 10 seasons--1.6.

    Since then what has Reggie done? Average league position--3.4. Titles--0. CL--6 exits in R16, two in quarterfinals and one semi final. Two FA cups being the highlight.

    The first five years were at least still entertaining. Some exciting young players and at least one serious title challenge for Reggie. The football was good to watch in most games and there was always the future to look to when we could spend much more money and compete with the oil clubs. The second five years included two trophies and two marquee signings--heralding things to come we were told. But that hasn't happened. For the second summer in a row, Reggie will start the season with 100m in his pocket and obvious deficiencies in the squad.

    Of course, this doesn't even speak to the tactical deficiencies of late.

    We also are playing some pretty boring football the last five years so we don't even have that to look forward to.

    For the fan, Football and sport in general is not about plugging along, getting top 4 every year to compete in a competition you haven't sniffed winning in a decade. Just so you can pad the balance sheet. Sport is about entertainment. It should be fun and exciting. The ups and downs are what we are here for. Stability is what I want from my spouse and my 401k broker, not from the place I turn to 5 hours per week to get entertained.
     
  22. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
  23. Serengeti_Boy

    Serengeti_Boy Member+

    Sep 15, 2009
    Serengeti, East Africa
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Tanzania
    What about that man Carl Jenkinson?


    I hear we are now linked with Wilfried Bony. No thanks, same player as Giroud essentially. Slightly better finisher but more lazier.
     
  24. wwnyc

    wwnyc Member

    Sep 5, 2004
  25. elessar78

    elessar78 Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 12, 2010
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Good grief. It was meant to be an amusing aside.

    Anyway, back to the serious, elevated gooner banter that fills this forum.
     

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