El indecido me molesta, si no me quiero, Transfer Thead 2016

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  1. Kot Matroskin

    Kot Matroskin Member+

    Aug 10, 2007
    SF Bay Area
    Not much need for that anymore...
     
  2. MilesW

    MilesW Member+

    Aug 26, 2010
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe- But if Ozil continues his progression maybe Cesc,Nasri and RVP don't leave. If Arsenal could build on that it could have been quite the team.
     
  3. darcgun

    darcgun Member+

    Jan 11, 2008
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    Arsenal FC
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    England
    he didn't play much. not much else in past few years who turned out shit.
     
  4. gunner0007

    gunner0007 Member+

    Jul 19, 2005
    Bahamas
    Let's look at it tho. We are slowly building a worthy team. Who's team is better than our new core of Czech, Alexis, Ozil, Xhaka ?

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  5. kanonier

    kanonier Member+

    Nov 7, 2005
    Bloomington, Ind.
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    #3830 kanonier, Jul 26, 2016
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    There have been a fair share of bad and/or head-scratching signings in the last decade... Squillaci, Silvestre, Park, Kallstrom, Santos, Chamakh, to name a few. Not any worse than other clubs though. A lot of our "minor" signings haven't come to fruition, though -- minor talents who have the potential to become something bigger. Not sure if that's on scouting or development.
     
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  6. daedalus

    daedalus Member+

    Apr 24, 2004
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    Arsenal FC
    i don't remember an off the field issue with him. the only one i can really recall was sagna.
    heh. :D
     
  7. bandwagongooner

    bandwagongooner Member+

    Dec 9, 2006
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    Arsenal FC
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    United States
    It took some searching, but in 2013 he said that he had been blackmailed in winter of 2010/11 and it screwed him up
     
  8. Serengeti_Boy

    Serengeti_Boy Member+

    Sep 15, 2009
    Serengeti, East Africa
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Tanzania
    Its amazing how Juve almost got RVP for £8m a fee years ago when he wanted out. Lool
     
  9. poetgooner

    poetgooner Member+

    Arsenal
    Nov 20, 2014
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    When was this?
     
  10. daedalus

    daedalus Member+

    Apr 24, 2004
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    i didn't remember that! good catch!
     
  11. gunner0007

    gunner0007 Member+

    Jul 19, 2005
    Bahamas
    Leicester signing Bartosz Kapustka for €6m (£5m).
     
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  12. total_football

    total_football Member+

    Apr 2, 2002
    Chicago
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Ah , Gazidis Mansplainin' the arsenal way (from Arseblog )

    "Now, an interview with the New York Times, Gazidis has once more referenced clubs who have more money and said that Arsenal ‘cannot afford’ to make any mistakes with the money they spend.

    “We would not be successful if we simply went out into the transfer market and tried to outgun our competitors,” he said.

    “We’re run in a self-sustaining way, and a way that we believe in, because we believe it gives us certainty for the future, and enables us to plan our future with confidence.

    “That means we can’t afford to make huge mistakes in the transfer market. We can’t afford to outgun competitors that have far more money to splurge on transfer fees than we do.

    “So we have to be very careful, very selective about how we do things.”

    It seems that being the club with the most cash in world football, boosted by a record television deal that has transformed almost every other Premier League club financially, still isn’t enough for Arsenal to throw off the financial shackles. One might even ask if it’s an edict from on-high.

    Of course there are clubs with more money, but when it comes right down to it, we rarely compete with them when it comes to transfers. Fans are realistic enough to know that if one of the top European clubs is after the same player as us, they’ll usually win out, but the frustration comes from the fact Arsenal seem far too cautious and unwilling to use their resources as well as they can."
     
  13. Gunning4Chelsea

    Gunning4Chelsea Member+

    Aug 2, 2005
    chicago
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    Arsenal FC
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    United States
    That's a hell of deal
    Kid has talent
     
  14. charlie15

    charlie15 Member+

    Mar 9, 2000
    Bethesda, Md
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    Arsenal FC
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    United States
    Hopefully, he is brought in to replace Mahrez!
     
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  15. crazy150

    crazy150 Member+

    Aug 27, 2006
    North Cuba
    My YouTube scouting says he will be solid ;)

    As Charlie says, hopefully to replace mahrez.
     
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  16. Gunning4Chelsea

    Gunning4Chelsea Member+

    Aug 2, 2005
    chicago
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
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    United States
    Kapustka is 19 yo and huge talent . Biggest talent in 20 plus years to come out of Poland; more highly regarded than Lewandowski or Kuba.
    I do not think that he is a replacement for Mahrez as Kapustka is still somewhat unpolished for the big stage. Great signing for Leicester at a low fee. Expect big things in 1-2 yrs.
     
  17. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I think you're reading too much into these quotes - they basically show what we already know:

    1. That Arsenal are cautious about the targets they pick
    2. Aren't going to spend a lot on targets that they have question marks about
    3. Aren't going to get into bidding wars

    I think 3 is where I take issue - I think being picky about talent and not buying players that the club isn't sure about is a valid business approach, especially at the prices being discussed. But the flip side to that is that there really aren't that many players that Wenger likes, and that means that it makes sense to get into a bidding war for certain players, like a Miki, for instance. If you win the bidding war, you've overpaid, sure, but have overpaid for a player that the club likes, which is better than paying for a player that the club has reservations about, and may or may not be better than standing pat, depending on what the club has now. And if you lose, you drive up costs for rivals.
     
  18. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    I disagree that you have actually overpaid.

    The key is you are looking for a player who can shift the dial significantly vs what you already have.

    As you identify - there are very few players who are actually available that can achieve that

    Therefore the costs at the margin are extremely high.

    Mhki has huge value to Utd due to their current league problems vs their brand profile.

    Therefore that is his real market price.

    So if Arsenal had to pay more than that - they have not overpaid unless we are to believe there is a cheaper Mhki out there.

    Of course Mahrez is one name - but will he actually be cheaper?
     
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  19. Bluto11

    Bluto11 The sky is falling!

    May 16, 2003
    Chicago, IL
    I feel like Milhouse watching the debut of Poochy on the Itchy & Scratchy show, every summer.

    "When are they going to get to the Fireworks Factory?"



    The Fireworks Factory is the player(s) Arsenal need
    Poochy is the crap we usually sign
    Milhouse is basically all the fans
     
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  20. gunner0007

    gunner0007 Member+

    Jul 19, 2005
    Bahamas
  21. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    That's certainly one way to look at it, but I think of "an overpay" in the terms of opportunity costs, because money is essentially fungible. The opportunity cost of paying an extra 15 million for Miki is that another signing can't be made.

    That goes back to why the club were interested in Vardy: he was relatively cheap, and signing Vardy allowed the club (hence low opportunity cost) to look at prospective moves for Koulibaly, Ricardo Rodriguez, and a winger. The entire summer's plans fell apart when Vardy (who approached Arsenal in the first place) changed his mind. It's obviously frustrating, but Vardy changing his mind is the story of this summer's window. Now we're looking at something like 40m for Lacazette, and the summer will probably be something like Xhaka, Mostafi, and Lacazette (which isn't a bad summer, IMO).
     
  22. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Fair point, but a smaller player might not be able to hold up play. Bigger question I have regarding Ben Yedder is why he hasn't been capped for France, despite being 25.
     
  23. DeltaSig

    DeltaSig Member

    Mar 7, 2007
    DENVER
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    Arsenal FC
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    United States
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  24. gunner0007

    gunner0007 Member+

    Jul 19, 2005
    Bahamas
    Yeah, if OL get him, that may be an indication that we're getting Lacazette. In any case, hopefully good news.
     
  25. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Yes, Mhki's value to Man Utd vs Arsenal may differ

    But nevertheless that would be his market value.

    So rather than "overpaying" perhaps the better way to look at it is putting too many eggs in one basket?

    Same with Higgy

    His market value is clear - but whether it makes financial sense for Arsenal to pay so much for a player who may not score much more than Giroud is unclear, especially if one could buy a right winger much cheaper and add more goals.
     

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