Post-Copa America, run up to the Gold Cup 2017, World Cup qualifying, & preparing for Russia in 2yrs

Discussion in 'USA Men' started by Eleven Bravo, Jun 26, 2016.

  1. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Perceived, but when there was a little attrition for the '15 GC and surrounding, we saw it produce FAR below that level. There's only so much production he can still get from those guys without having to find his own new talent in the pool.

    That's what we should call his tenure - the minimum result era of U.S. futbol.

    The shills would of course come back with his technical winning percentage from this strategy, ignoring the b-team tourney over-commitment and home tourney aspects, and we'll continue to go in that circle, because they aren't interested in the truth, rather manipulating public perception.
     
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  2. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It should now be clear that the number one reason for the poor GC2015 was a player featured prominently in the clip below. Missing #20 and #11 not 100% fit after missing the last month of the season were key reasons for the terrible results.

     
  3. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It depends on the system and style of play...

    As an out and out winger, you're right. He would be more effective in the center.

    But, if you put Dempsey as the CF, he likes to drop deep anyways, and that slides the wingers into more of a twin forward system anyways.

    I'm not 100% sold on it... But we should be going through a transition phase.
     
  4. Deadtigers

    Deadtigers Member+

    Jul 23, 2015
    Independent Republic of the Bronx, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ghana
    So the great TD and coach in 6 years has not found the replacements? It is his job, this great identifier of talent. Maybe if he got beyond his personal bias' he would be able to find talent.

    Say what you will but Bradley and Arena never flat out ignored players like JK does.
     
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  5. Eliezar

    Eliezar Member+

    Jan 27, 2002
    Houston
    Club:
    12 de Octubre
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Arena was constantly accused of using Virginia players over other, better options and then accused of holding on to older players too long for WC 06. I mean Arena went with a past due Tab Ramos in a do or die World Cup qualifier because he didn't have a player he could trust to replace Reyna. What JK has done well is expand the player pool with young oversees kids. He was willing to trust older MLS players (Davis, Beckerman) that weren't able to make the team in their prime.

    I really don't see how any of the three coaches were better than the others in selection. They were all complained about.
     
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  6. napper

    napper Member+

    Jan 14, 2014
    Fullerton
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Bruce and Bob were both fired.
     
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  7. Gamecock14

    Gamecock14 Member+

    May 27, 2010
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    They did too. But, you were more likely to get a shot if you are playing well under Bradley.
     
  8. Deadtigers

    Deadtigers Member+

    Jul 23, 2015
    Independent Republic of the Bronx, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ghana
    Really!?! So Bob and Bruce McLane blatantly ignored the highest rated at domestic players like how JK ignores Benny and Lee despite them being the best domestic attacking mids in the USA. I mean Poland added Blackski because they needed a forward and he was their best domestic forward. We have no playmaking midfielder.

    I mean he tried Nguyen at wing during the MB is an attacking mid phase and Nguyen was the better player that year.

    Like I said Bruce and Bob, especially Bob would not just let a talented in-form MLS player to go to waste like JK likes to do.
     
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  9. Deadtigers

    Deadtigers Member+

    Jul 23, 2015
    Independent Republic of the Bronx, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ghana
    So my phone added McLane by accident.
     
  10. Gamecock14

    Gamecock14 Member+

    May 27, 2010
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    They did, but the players got a second chance during January camp or a friendly.
     
  11. nthemsum

    nthemsum Member

    Jan 14, 2006
    boise,id
    #61 nthemsum, Jul 4, 2016
    Last edited: Jul 4, 2016
    I think if our back four is set as most presume with Yedlin-camerone-brooks-Johnson. The reserves will be a mixed bag maybe players like Miazga and Birnbaum. The reserve FB's are the biggest question mark but much needed.

    I believe that our front three or two are also set with Zardes, Wood and either Aaron Johanson or Altidore. Rubin Rubio will get a lot of time in the Netherlands and will start to be brought in as well. Dempsey also remains in the pool. Morris may be there but I think at the end of the day the kid should have gone to Germany. I think were ser here despite the normal approach to people looking at promising players who have not hit their stride.

    The Midfield is a question mark but I think that we have start to see some development and retain some players. Bradley, Bedoya will remain with maybe Jones in the mix if Jurgen wants him to. Pulisic, Nagbe will also venture into more trusted roles but Nagbe needs to move to a top four league for him to improve. After those four it will be a question mark of who can turn it on and develop. Keep an eye on Zelalem who needs more time with top flight football but two years at top flight football can do the trick. Arsenal looks like they will give him a run but loan him out if he does will not make an impact on the first team. Would not be surprised if he gets loaned to another EPL team. I think with the move to Bournemouth will emerge Hyndman as a viable candidate for the backup DM. I also like Terrance boyd, Danny williams, fafa Picault and Julian Green. So much potential without proven themselves at the MF level.

    MF
    CAM Bedoya-Nagbe
    RM- pulisic-Picault
    LM- Zelalem-Green-
    DM- Bradley-Hyndman-Williams

    We are honestly better off than we have ever been since I can remember but we need younger players to emerge onto the scene these next couple of years at the club level.
     
  12. TheLostUniversity

    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Feb 4, 2007
    Greater Boston
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    :cautious::coffee::ROFLMAO:
     
  13. juveeer

    juveeer Member+

    Aug 3, 2006
    Let's see........wealth of CBs, dearth of FBs, especially at LB.

    What does that tell you we should be doing?
     
  14. LouisZ

    LouisZ Member+

    Oct 14, 2010
    Southern California-USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Valid point. My guess is this is what JK said to Sunil..."(JK)--This is our best and most experienced players and this is how far we could go, our expectations were met."
     
  15. LouisZ

    LouisZ Member+

    Oct 14, 2010
    Southern California-USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I understand where you are going with this...but think about this, if Dempsey has to drop to midfield to either defend or get the ball wouldn't that mean that our wings are also in the role of defending and linking? I can't remember a play where Dempsey dropped and our wingers were left on the final third.
     
  16. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Let me just stick with attacking for this...

    The best example of a model to remember is when we played Guatemala last cycle with how we used Dempsey in the center and had the pace of the two forwards to expose their back line. Dempsey in a sense is given a free role to find the ball. He's not in a strict CF role.

    That said, where this formation would have problems is when Dempsey is no longer able to lead our attack. This is a formation that plays to his strengths. And would not be my preferred line up if he's not on top of his game.
     
  17. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Bruce's contract had expired. Sunil simply didn't renew.
     
  18. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Alvarado and Beckerman had no business starting the Jamaica match. If Bedoya wasn't fit Klinsmann should have gone with someone else.
     
  19. TheLostUniversity

    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Feb 4, 2007
    Greater Boston
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Non-renewal, when the employee seeks renewal, is being fired. It was why Jurgen made such a calculated effort to have his contract extended before the WC. The last thing he wanted was to have his job depend on his performance.
     
  20. juveeer

    juveeer Member+

    Aug 3, 2006
    RIIIIGGGGHHHHTTTT!

    That is a distinction without a difference as Bruce's hissy fit reaction to "not being renewed" made clear.
     
  21. Deadtigers

    Deadtigers Member+

    Jul 23, 2015
    Independent Republic of the Bronx, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ghana
    Excuse me but why does Nagbe have to leave the MLS when Bradley and Jones don't. Especially as Bradley is playing like shit?? Green can ******** off imo. Are midfield is filled with plodders who have no creative ability. We are attacking teams with 3 men and hoping for long balls.
     
  22. Heist

    Heist Member+

    Jun 15, 2001
    Virginia
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How is it startling? It's been a few years now.
     
  23. Deadtigers

    Deadtigers Member+

    Jul 23, 2015
    Independent Republic of the Bronx, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ghana
    Because they are a pair of plodders that run forever and can defend but are technically in offensive positions. One could finish a happy meal let along a chance on goal and the other should be called Stone Toes.

    It is not so much that they a key part of the team and more they shouldn't be.
     
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  24. Heist

    Heist Member+

    Jun 15, 2001
    Virginia
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's upsetting, but how is it startling?
    And sorry I wasn't clear. I was thinking only about Bedoya. Zardes is really just a big part of the US team this past year.
     
  25. Mr Martin

    Mr Martin Member+

    Jun 12, 2002
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The past two years for Zardes. 2nd in minutes and starts in each of 2015 and 2016. 4th in points in 2015 and 2nd in points this year.
     
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